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Originally Posted by ALoneR
I think drivetrain has very little to do with handling and FWD and RWD can both be successful as race cars, if prepared correctly.
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That's been my argument the whole time.
The Common thought is that "RWD PwNs AllLL!!one!" when in acutality, drive wheels play a small part in the overall balance of a car. and when conditions get slippery, the ability to control a RWD car then becomes
ALL up to the ability of the driver since you're starting to fight against natural laws.
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Originally Posted by the invisible
You are taking the discussion out of context.
Other than the AE86, the Nissan 240sx and an array of Japanese RWD cars are popular for their out-of-the-box balancedness. These cars are not only popular in drifting, but also in roadraces nationwide on speedways.
The FWD vs RWD topic has been beaten to death all over the internet. I never imagined it'd pop up here. Even many of the TL owners acknowledge that the RWD layout is optimum to their transverse layout.
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Apparently you didn't get what the point of the videos were. They were to demonstrate the NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS, WITHOUT INVOLVING DRIVER SENSE. You can be a great driver and make a car with any layout handle the way you want it, that's not a question. The question here was the use of drive wheels at their extremes.
At NO time in just about all of the F v. R drive videos did the drivers display common sense. but the results were WORLDS apart.
TL's transverse setup is the most popular style of front drive but it's not the optimum for weight distribution. Audi/VW, Chrysler, Honda, and Cadillac (at one point) had the FWD setup correct (though cadillac didn't do it for weight balance). The engine laid out front to back giving the best weght distribution possible.
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Originally Posted by AloneR
put a RWD and an FWD car on a dragstrip, each with 350whp and relatively the same weight, suspension etc etc...and see which one makes it down the strip faster.
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yea, i addressed this in the beginning of the original post.
and to add to the original Post:
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Originally Posted by B+O
also, to make it a little easier to understand for those not understanding center of gravity, made it more about inertial rotation about drive wheels. Wrong? partially (there's more to it than just that particular influence), but try and tell me a wheelie is caused solely by the a car rotating on its center of gravity and i'll have to look at you a little funny.
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Just incase you were wondering.
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by the way, it's not uncommon for a lot of FWD vehicles to fit upwards of 255 sized tires. I've seen it on several occasions. that said, it is also not uncommon for many RWD cars to be limited to that same range.