3.2 VS 3.5!! - Page 2

Forevralegend · 10-20-07, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FallenAngel

Didn't Dv8 also pick up a couple of lightened pullies? Forevralegend's sig only lists the Type1 crank.

he has all his pulley's on while dynoing while i only have the alternator pulley while dynoing so the weight is pretty similar

*Dv8* · 10-20-07, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FallenAngel

Didn't Dv8 also pick up a couple of lightened pullies? Forevralegend's sig only lists the Type1 crank.

RL 10lbs. pulley
Labrat PS & ALT pullies, I just have them for the look, they are probably 1/4 or 1/3 pound difference toghether max. Type I pulley is 5 lbs.

~Dv8

Forevralegend · 10-20-07, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dv8

RL 10lbs. pulley
Labrat PS & ALT pullies, I just have them for the look, they are probably 1/4 or 1/3 pound difference toghether max. Type I pulley is 5 lbs.

~Dv8

so you actually had more weight in the front end

*Dv8* · 10-20-07, 06:17 PM

Mods like this arent even worth bringing up in comparo because theyre so miniscule on a dyno.

Let keep this thread on topic.

Redo that exhaust perfect and youll be seeing 240 no problem.

~Dv8

Forevralegend · 10-20-07, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dv8

Mods like this arent even worth bringing up in comparo because theyre so miniscule on a dyno.

Let keep this thread on topic.

Redo that exhaust perfect and youll be seeing 240 no problem.

~Dv8

thats definitely the first thing ill be doing, gotta keep the competition going

im surprised no one really said anything about the chips yet... 10pounds of torque and 6 or so hp is really impressive

mrkeith · 10-20-07, 07:05 PM

Damn cool stuff.

Blackend · 10-20-07, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forevralegend

thats definitely the first thing ill be doing, gotta keep the competition going

im surprised no one really said anything about the chips yet... 10pounds of torque and 6 or so hp is really impressive

The fact that they're no longer available is probably why...I mean, who wants to send $$ to somebody who may never answer back?

I'd love to see Telion get a copy of that Stage 4 chip for comparison though...at least then we'd have a reliable source for those in need of chips.

whyteLegend · 10-20-07, 08:07 PM

I was once told "displacement is a bitch"
Nice work guys

Kenso · 10-20-07, 08:34 PM

Nice comparison post, really informative. Amazing mid range out of the 3.5 once it's modded. Nice to see your dynojet #'s man, looks like you've got me beat by a few hp. Makes sense I guess, we have nearly the same setup iirc, aside from the exhaust side of things. Good stuff.

Forevralegend · 10-20-07, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenso

Nice comparison post, really informative. Amazing mid range out of the 3.5 once it's modded. Nice to see your dynojet #'s man, looks like you've got me beat by a few hp. Makes sense I guess, we have nearly the same setup iirc, aside from the exhaust side of things. Good stuff.

thanks man

GreekPower · 10-20-07, 10:04 PM

forever- how come when u were auto you dyno'd 243whp and now its less? different dyno or wat?

Forevralegend · 10-20-07, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekPower

forever- how come when u were auto you dyno'd 243whp and now its less? different dyno or wat?

different dyno, my first dyno was on a dynapack, this recent one was on a dynojet but im gonna play with my exhaust set up and see if i can get my peak hp back at 7 grand like before.

sr5guy · 10-21-07, 02:23 PM

Awesome thread! I love the comparisons, especially Christian's graph laid over yours. I'm curious to see how Eric's car dynos after he sorts through the exhaust, and especially curious about his y-pipe

. My hunch is that both of you have maxed out the flow of the heads (or intake?), and it's time for some bigger valves and/or FI. I'm also EXTREMELY curious as to how christian's car would dyno with a type II manifold.

The results of the VIS tests were no surprise to me, I was certain Honda would not have wasted the money engineering a system that didn't function. I understand christian's theory behind reducing torque to gain traction, but it seems like it can be done by adding some switches to the VIS solenoids instead of completely removing the flaps.

I was pleasantly surprised with the results of the chips and I really appreciate you taking the time to dyno them and overlay the graphs. I think this is the first Type II ECU chip comparison with a before and after dyno. Christian's dyno was with the 1st gen type I ECU which has much different coding. Make sure to get an EGT sensor to monitor the temperature of the exhaust -- you are running quite a bit more timing then stock. My concern is that you might be running too much timing in certain areas of the map which may cause the knock sensors to pull it back to a level where you are actually losing power.

Blackend: I'm getting back on my feet, I may start selling them again in the future but right now that is the least of my concerns. As far as the "Stage 4" chip, Eric gave away the recipe for it right in this thread

. Its not hard to figure out - it's spelled out in plain english in his first post. I'd be happy to post up the .bin files on request.

-Matt

Forevralegend · 10-21-07, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Marley

Awesome thread! I love the comparisons, especially Christian's graph laid over yours. I'm curious to see how Eric's car dynos after he sorts through the exhaust, and especially curious about his y-pipe

. My hunch is that both of you have maxed out the flow of the heads (or intake?), and it's time for some bigger valves and/or FI. I'm also EXTREMELY curious as to how christian's car would dyno with a type II manifold.

The results of the VIS tests were no surprise to me, I was certain Honda would not have wasted the money engineering a system that didn't function. I understand christian's theory behind reducing torque to gain traction, but it seems like it can be done by adding some switches to the VIS solenoids instead of completely removing the flaps.

I was pleasantly surprised with the results of the chips and I really appreciate you taking the time to dyno them and overlay the graphs. I think this is the first Type II ECU chip comparison with a before and after dyno. Christian's dyno was with the 1st gen type I ECU which has much different coding. Make sure to get an EGT sensor to monitor the temperature of the exhaust -- you are running quite a bit more timing then stock. My concern is that you might be running too much timing in certain areas of the map which may cause the knock sensors to pull it back to a level where you are actually losing power.

Blackend: I'm getting back on my feet, I may start selling them again in the future but right now that is the least of my concerns. As far as the "Stage 4" chip, Eric gave away the recipe for it right in this thread

. Its not hard to figure out - it's spelled out in plain english in his first post. I'd be happy to post up the .bin files on request.

-Matt

lol i guess i did give away the recipe didnt i? well thanks for the chips man, the tuner was impressed that he hardly had to correct the air fuel on them.

Alperovich · 10-22-07, 02:21 AM

wow awesome numbers guys, as usual! I need to dyno my coupe

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sr5guy Legend Agent Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,637 Car 1: 95 BMW 740I Car 2: 91 L Sedan Rosewood Car 3: 91 LS Cpe 3.5 sold iTrader: (32)	Awesome thread! I love the comparisons, especially Christian's graph laid over yours. I'm curious to see how Eric's car dynos after he sorts through the exhaust, and especially curious about his y-pipe . My hunch is that both of you have maxed out the flow of the heads (or intake?), and it's time for some bigger valves and/or FI. I'm also EXTREMELY curious as to how christian's car would dyno with a type II manifold. The results of the VIS tests were no surprise to me, I was certain Honda would not have wasted the money engineering a system that didn't function. I understand christian's theory behind reducing torque to gain traction, but it seems like it can be done by adding some switches to the VIS solenoids instead of completely removing the flaps. I was pleasantly surprised with the results of the chips and I really appreciate you taking the time to dyno them and overlay the graphs. I think this is the first Type II ECU chip comparison with a before and after dyno. Christian's dyno was with the 1st gen type I ECU which has much different coding. Make sure to get an EGT sensor to monitor the temperature of the exhaust -- you are running quite a bit more timing then stock. My concern is that you might be running too much timing in certain areas of the map which may cause the knock sensors to pull it back to a level where you are actually losing power. Blackend: I'm getting back on my feet, I may start selling them again in the future but right now that is the least of my concerns. As far as the "Stage 4" chip, Eric gave away the recipe for it right in this thread . Its not hard to figure out - it's spelled out in plain english in his first post. I'd be happy to post up the .bin files on request. -Matt __________________ The dude with a chip on his shoulder. Stop asking me to compare my chip with Telion's damnit. Mines better. No, really, stop asking The Legend Garage Last edited by sr5guy : 10-21-07 at 02:35 PM.

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