The Definitive 3.5 Swap List

FF Drifter · 09-28-07, 07:33 AM

I remember seeing a similar list a while back but searches can't seem to recall it =/ so! I've decided to compile another list but this time, one that will be more of a resource to the 2nd-gen Legend community. Please post the names of forum members that you know have completed their 3.2-to-3.5 engine swaps.

Additionally, I'd like to add quick, simple notes to each list entry: every swap has undoubtedly run into its share of troubles, obstacles, and previously undocumented trip-ups. Many of us who has completed this swap have either treaded new ground or have come up with ingenious solutions and have come across handy resources that may prove useful to future engine swappers. A quick blurb on each swap experience and how that member/experience could help future enthusiasts would be a great help.

Completed swaps:
AckRite
Blackac92
C32A5 (looking for new engine)
D-money
DV8
FallenAngel
FF Drifter
Go90go (UA3 Inspire/3.2TL)
jkurl
Mike Diaz
Overdrive
sr5guy
swift
Telion

Need more info/confirmation:
Guy from Harlem Legends?
the child?
ATLFOKUS?

Key words: C32A1, C35A1, 3.5 swap list

FF Drifter · 09-28-07, 07:35 AM

I'll start with those who had an immediate effect on my own 3.5 swap:
DV8 ~ the very first 3.5 swap and the original trailblazer
Mike Diaz ~ his detailed 3.5 DIY swap was a great resource
Telion ~ great pictures in his own swap thread helped me avoid potential difficulties in my own swap (and persuaded me to take the car to a shop instead hahaha)
jkurl ~ got my Legend/RL passenger side engine bracket crafted (his jig is for 93-95 Legends)

And of course, my own swap:
FF Drifter ~ probably one of the more conservative swaps, we put a lot of emphasis on subtlety and most of all: passing strict California smog laws

QBoroLegend · 09-28-07, 10:21 AM

I usually dont post in the more mechanical threads because I am not there with that - but I gotta say, kudos to you guys who are "street engineers". I have some mechanical ability, but you guys are the truth and I always read them and what not. I have a question, though

How much of a difference is there in performance with the 3.5 over the 3.2. Is there much difference because the 3.5, although stronger, doesnt gain much because the charriot it powers is bigger and therefore torque is lost? I mean, does it make a difference in the top speed and quickness of the G2 and is the swapping more for bragging rights then performance (may 70% brag/30% performance, for example).

Just a note, I thought a guy from Harlem Legends did a swap as well.

GreekPower · 09-28-07, 02:52 PM

your missing the guy from harlem, the child, sr5guy, blue legend in cali (forget his name), c32a, that guy with 22's on his legend.

soon 2 be adding one or two from pittsburgh

whats77inaname · 09-28-07, 03:25 PM

ATLFOKUS did a swap. So did Ben.

BlackAc92 · 09-30-07, 08:10 PM

Ahhem...ahh i did the swap too folks. Did it all by myself just like the main man Telli. Mike, Cristian and telions threads were great to help me through it. However...Some may dispute this next statement but SWIFT (Ben) gave me tons of help over the phone and email. I Couldnt have pulled it off without him.

Runnin typeII cams in the RL Heads and found out that the Type II Valve Springs will not work in the RL Heads. You end up snapping cam holder bolts @ half the torque specs.

I didnt get a chance to take many pictures because i was under a great time and money constraint. Also i was commuting 2 1/2 hours to work on it.

FF Drifter · 09-30-07, 08:26 PM

Thanks guys. Hopefully more of the swappers will comment on their work. I am hoping to get those who actually did the swaps to post in the thread but I'll update it as best (and as accurately) as I can. Help me out with these names (links to their threads too please!).

As for your question QBoroLegend:

Quote:

How much of a difference is there in performance with the 3.5 over the 3.2. Is there much difference because the 3.5, although stronger, doesnt gain much because the charriot it powers is bigger and therefore torque is lost? I mean, does it make a difference in the top speed and quickness of the G2 and is the swapping more for bragging rights then performance (may 70% brag/30% performance, for example).

I doubt there is too much of a difference in top speed when the 3.5 is swapped in. Most of the power gain is in the low-to-mid RPM range, not at the top end. I don't know about other swappers but I actually feel like the engine loses a bit past 5000RPM. There is no question though that the engine helps the Legend jump from a dead stop, shoot away when it's at low speeds, and take off with hardly a downshift. The torque is just fat and plentiful and rolls in at a lower RPM than would be possible with the 3.2. These are, of course, all claims by my ass-calibrated dynamometer. You guys can see dynos of other 3.5 swapped Legends elsewhere on the forum. Should I decide to properly dyno my car (my shop has one I can use), I'd probably be the most mild 3.5RL swap that gives a real performance printout.

I dunno about other swappers but I don't think there is much bragging rights with the engine. It's cool to have but it's not something you can exactly show off to others because compared to other swaps in other cars, it's just not very extreme (it is, after all, almost a straight drop-in). There is a minor bump in performance but I personally felt the swap was mostly for reliability and it sets up a good foundation for future modification if I choose to go further.

oboy1376 · 09-30-07, 09:10 PM

hey this is onion-from harlem-legendz an what is is that you would like to know about the 3.5 swap- it seems like you was doing good but, things happen ... now dont give up .... now the cams from the S-type may work ok-wink hahahha

FF Drifter · 09-30-07, 09:20 PM

I was curious about the forum member's name that completed the swap. Or was that you? If so, could you please tell us more about your swap (what made yours different, what shortcuts/tips do you have for others, etc.)?

OverDrive · 09-30-07, 10:17 PM

O yea forgot about this thread, haha really only 10 people have done this swap

AckRite · 09-30-07, 10:25 PM

I completed my swap a few months back..

drewLegend · 10-01-07, 12:19 AM

Andy (atlfokus) did the 3.5 swap...?

I don't think that's right, I'm prettysure you got him mixed up with AckRite.

Also, one of my friends that is obsessed with G35's sent me a video on youtube of a G35 coupe vs. a 2.5 TL that apparently has a 3.5RL swap. Someone should contact him and see.

Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUUi8_Zp-gs

It seems as if the owner's name on youtube is G090go.

FF Drifter · 10-01-07, 12:31 AM

Thank you, I'll look that up. I'll also swap the AckRite/ATLFOKUS. Sorry about that. (need more confirmation -_- not just secondhand info)

D-Money · 10-01-07, 10:38 PM

i did my swap a while ago

RedLegend92 · 10-01-07, 10:44 PM

Whats the stock Hp on the 3.5, also about how many hours would it take if you include all the possible errors that can happen?

09-28-07, 07:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
FF Drifter It's stock, really. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,241 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	The Definitive 3.5 Swap List I remember seeing a similar list a while back but searches can't seem to recall it =/ so! I've decided to compile another list but this time, one that will be more of a resource to the 2nd-gen Legend community. Please post the names of forum members that you know have completed their 3.2-to-3.5 engine swaps. Additionally, I'd like to add quick, simple notes to each list entry: every swap has undoubtedly run into its share of troubles, obstacles, and previously undocumented trip-ups. Many of us who has completed this swap have either treaded new ground or have come up with ingenious solutions and have come across handy resources that may prove useful to future engine swappers. A quick blurb on each swap experience and how that member/experience could help future enthusiasts would be a great help. Completed swaps: AckRite Blackac92 C32A5 (looking for new engine) D-money DV8 FallenAngel FF Drifter Go90go (UA3 Inspire/3.2TL) jkurl Mike Diaz Overdrive sr5guy swift Telion Need more info/confirmation: Guy from Harlem Legends? the child? ATLFOKUS? Key words: C32A1, C35A1, 3.5 swap list __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto) Last edited by FF Drifter : 10-02-07 at 02:46 PM. Reason: Added names/list.

09-28-07, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
FF Drifter It's stock, really. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,241 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	I'll start with those who had an immediate effect on my own 3.5 swap: DV8 ~ the very first 3.5 swap and the original trailblazer Mike Diaz ~ his detailed 3.5 DIY swap was a great resource Telion ~ great pictures in his own swap thread helped me avoid potential difficulties in my own swap (and persuaded me to take the car to a shop instead hahaha) jkurl ~ got my Legend/RL passenger side engine bracket crafted (his jig is for 93-95 Legends) And of course, my own swap: FF Drifter ~ probably one of the more conservative swaps, we put a lot of emphasis on subtlety and most of all: passing strict California smog laws __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto)

09-28-07, 10:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
QBoroLegend Son of the Most High Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In the arms of Queens Posts: 2,375 Car 1: 1994 Acura Legend L Sedan Car 2: 2006 GMC RTS Car 3: 1970 Feet iTrader: (0)	I usually dont post in the more mechanical threads because I am not there with that - but I gotta say, kudos to you guys who are "street engineers". I have some mechanical ability, but you guys are the truth and I always read them and what not. I have a question, though How much of a difference is there in performance with the 3.5 over the 3.2. Is there much difference because the 3.5, although stronger, doesnt gain much because the charriot it powers is bigger and therefore torque is lost? I mean, does it make a difference in the top speed and quickness of the G2 and is the swapping more for bragging rights then performance (may 70% brag/30% performance, for example). Just a note, I thought a guy from Harlem Legends did a swap as well. __________________ Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." R-Swift, Revolutionary Theme Muzik "Out the dark since the Light sparked when its splittin curtains. Now I live curseless, no longer worthless. Still grippin the mic, but now I just switch purpose."

09-28-07, 03:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
whats77inaname Renaissance. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tx Posts: 3,633 Car 1: 91 5MT LS, 300k Car 2: 91 5MT LS, 183k Car 3: 03 G35 sdn (wife's) iTrader: (22)	ATLFOKUS did a swap. So did Ben. __________________ "Game recognize game and you looking kinda unfamiliar right now"....

09-30-07, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
BlackAc92 2002 3.5 w/ TII cams! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 249 Car 1: 1992 Legend L Ka8 Car 2: 95 Intrepid..fam car Car 3: 1992 Legend LS Ka7 iTrader: (3)	Ahhem...ahh i did the swap too folks. Did it all by myself just like the main man Telli. Mike, Cristian and telions threads were great to help me through it. However...Some may dispute this next statement but SWIFT (Ben) gave me tons of help over the phone and email. I Couldnt have pulled it off without him. Runnin typeII cams in the RL Heads and found out that the Type II Valve Springs will not work in the RL Heads. You end up snapping cam holder bolts @ half the torque specs. I didnt get a chance to take many pictures because i was under a great time and money constraint. Also i was commuting 2 1/2 hours to work on it. __________________ http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...P1010015-1.jpg -The 3.5 is in and puuuurrin!!! -Now to the body work ...sigh Found and welded in a BEAutiful quarter panel... The whip is gettin therr F.S.: 1) TCS Unit from my 2002 RL engine, 2) 1999 and 2002 RL wiring harnesses and 12 coil packs. 3) 99 RL Differential

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09-28-07, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
GreekPower Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh,PA Posts: 10,458 Car 1: 1992 Acura L"S" Sedan Car 2: 1991 3/S Turbo's 2x Car 3: 2005 Grand Prix iTrader: (13)	your missing the guy from harlem, the child, sr5guy, blue legend in cali (forget his name), c32a, that guy with 22's on his legend. soon 2 be adding one or two from pittsburgh

09-30-07, 09:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
oboy1376 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: harlem nyc Posts: 4 iTrader: (0)	hey this is onion-from harlem-legendz an what is is that you would like to know about the 3.5 swap- it seems like you was doing good but, things happen ... now dont give up .... now the cams from the S-type may work ok-wink hahahha

09-30-07, 09:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
FF Drifter It's stock, really. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,241 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	I was curious about the forum member's name that completed the swap. Or was that you? If so, could you please tell us more about your swap (what made yours different, what shortcuts/tips do you have for others, etc.)? __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto)

09-30-07, 10:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
OverDrive Keeper of Keys Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mill Valley, CA (NorthBay Area) Posts: 600 Car 1: 04 Mercedes C Class AMG Car 2: 99 Acura TL Car 3: 03 E320 Mercedes iTrader: (1)	O yea forgot about this thread, haha really only 10 people have done this swap __________________ 1991 Acura Legend 3.5 OD Edition

09-30-07, 10:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
AckRite Huh, chicken? GET HIM!!! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 1,007 Car 1: 1991 3.5 Ack Legend Ls Coupe 5spd Car 2: 1997 Sunfire iTrader: (4)	I completed my swap a few months back.. __________________ Last edited by AckRite : 09-30-07 at 11:29 PM.

10-01-07, 12:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
drewLegend Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,282 Car 1: LegendBashing///Mobile iTrader: (14)	Andy (atlfokus) did the 3.5 swap...? I don't think that's right, I'm prettysure you got him mixed up with AckRite. Also, one of my friends that is obsessed with G35's sent me a video on youtube of a G35 coupe vs. a 2.5 TL that apparently has a 3.5RL swap. Someone should contact him and see. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUUi8_Zp-gs It seems as if the owner's name on youtube is G090go.

10-01-07, 12:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
FF Drifter It's stock, really. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,241 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	Thank you, I'll look that up. I'll also swap the AckRite/ATLFOKUS. Sorry about that. (need more confirmation -_- not just secondhand info) __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto)

10-01-07, 10:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
D-Money Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spring Valley NY Posts: 154 Car 1: 92 Acura Legend 3.5 LS 4DR iTrader: (0)	i did my swap a while ago

10-01-07, 10:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
RedLegend92 GSG737 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,092 Car 1: 1992 Acura Legend Sedan Car 2: 05 Suzuki RMZ-250 Car 3: soon Suzuki GSX750 iTrader: (2)	Whats the stock Hp on the 3.5, also about how many hours would it take if you include all the possible errors that can happen? __________________ CHICAGO LEGENDS! Custom CAI magnaflow catback exhaust 2 12" kicker cvr12's with a 2253 watt (751 rms)rockford amp w/ Cap Pioneer head unit w/ pioneer ipod adapter Rial 16" rims w/ goodyear triple tread tires 3 gauge pillar w/ autometer cobalt gauges.oil pressure, water temp, and air/fuel GTS Smoke headlight covers Venom 400 performance chip Clear Corners Mod Express 6000k HID kit Addco rear sway bar Blackened Engine Damper 20% tint

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