DIY: 3.2L to 3.5L engine swap (+ Type II Swap, Hybrid, and JDM Information) - Page 7

tnelson · 02-09-07, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swift

okay seriously I whipped out my "e-penis" after a comment...such as "poor intake manifold" or something to that effect and DV8 gets all pissed.
Its my own opinion but if he would care to comment on how his N/A numbers were only slightly higher then kenso 's type 2 conversion...i would love to hear it. Kenso has a stock muffler, stock exhaust manifolds, an original type 1 block.

I cut out around 4in" of the stock manifold and have roughly 2in runners. The fastest NSX with over 1000hp had 2in runners in a very small manifold which will be the full custom one i am rplan on replicating(not this prototype). A few years ago on a stock type 2 removing VIS showed loss of power so why did Diaz do it on a stock RL....too much torque??

You clearly have no understanding of runner length. The runner begins at the TIP OF THE VALVE at top of the cylinder. A standard runner is anywhere from 18-24 inches on most cars. This longer runner and small plenum design keeps the air from slowing in the plenum and keeps a steady (but not fast) movement of air through the runners. For most drag cars, they run a 7" to 10" runner, with street / strip applications at 10-12, maybe 14 at the longest. So please, i would LOVE to see an NSX with 2 inch runners. What, did they mill the head down and put a throttle body on the top? Fuck, get some idea of what you are talking about before you try to mouth off.

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I am putting in a divider "plate" ;not taking up a large amount of space there. I have done my fair of research not to do things "half-assed"...which by the way I am purposely doing on certain things such as the exhaust considering the fact Kenso has stock manifolds and look at his N/A power. very nice.

Ok, there are very specific reasons for using a divider plate. Can you give me ONE reason? You didnt answer ONE of the questions I asked earlier. Seriously, you need to do a ton more research before you start building a manifold.

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I found out about the 05' pistons more than a year ago....so seriously ...how much more do you think i have found out and still kept my mouth such about. I only came forward about what I am doing and found out to help others on this forum who have mods done to there cars but would rather stay quiet.

Ah, great, that really helps the community out.......DV8 has put forward all of his mods, as have almost all the other modded cars. Yet you dont tell people for what reason?

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The only reason I did not accomplish my goals sooner is because I got involved with a girl in the fall...money and time wasted. Thats the truth.

Also the fact you are calling me out now after i started a thread...I have a deadline of march 31st and i plan to keep it 100%.

Now please delete the past how many posts of mine and all yours(dv8 and others" that have no relevence to this thread.

PS---I quit auto school before all my performance classes started which is the whole reason I chose that school....why....I knew more than the instructors and I would like to save $1500+. Now I am putting in 47hr weeks as a full time mechanic at the age of 21.

Great. Congrats on quitting school. From what you have said above, you dont know shit about the actual applications of what basic knowledge about performance you have. All I know I picked up from being around drag motor builds. I am no expert by any means, but I can tell you have no idea what you are doing other than scouring the internet for pictures of things that work on other cars. If you want, ask and i will help you out. But lose the attitude.

BUZZARD · 02-19-07, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Diaz

I just installed them 5 months ago. I hope they come apart without a problem. The OEM ones always tear.

Mike are you referring to the gaskets on the vis ?? Try smearing them with some wheel bearing grease before assembly.

Chris

**Mike Diaz** · 02-19-07, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BUZZARD

Mike are you referring to the gaskets on the vis ?? Try smearing them with some wheel bearing grease before assembly.

Chris

Yeah, the 2 OEM plenum gaskets tore on me on my Type I that I gutted, as well as the 3.5L that I gutted. That's a good idea for next time. I got new gaskets today, and I'm going to pick up the marine epoxy tomorrow.

dgandul · 02-21-07, 05:19 AM

i like how mike diaz is staying out of the arguement...
dv8 what is that in the second picture of the manifold? and what is it and whats it for?

*Dv8* · 02-21-07, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dgandul

i like how mike diaz is staying out of the arguement...
dv8 what is that in the second picture of the manifold? and what is it and whats it for?

Tnel, pretty much has it handled.

quote it, i dont know what your reffering to.

~Dv8

dgandul · 02-21-07, 09:19 PM

the pics of the manifold cut, P&P, widened and stuffed... stuffed with what

*Dv8* · 02-22-07, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dgandul

the pics of the manifold cut, P&P, widened and stuffed... stuffed with what

Marine epoxy to aid in internal air velocity.

~Dv8

cuttie · 02-26-07, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Diaz

The biggest thing I have to add is the 3.5L DIY: DIY: 3.2L to 3.5L engine swap (+ Type II Swap, Hybrid, and JDM Information)

The only real discoveries about my RL swap was that the Type I ECU runs a complete 3.5L with only minor wiring issues. Using the 3.5L cam position sensor was surprising to me since the RL timing belt is longer.

DV8's install was a little different since he was using Type II heads instead of RL heads.

Does the RL engine make the Legend much faster or is it just better at daily driving? The RL is rated at 210/224 while the Type II is rated at 230/206.

**Mike Diaz** · 02-26-07, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cuttie

Does the RL engine make the Legend much faster or is it just better at daily driving? The RL is rated at 210/224 while the Type II is rated at 230/206.

It's all about the torque. Read my dyno sheet compared to most other Type II's.

Nobody has come close to 218 ft lbs torque at the wheels without major mods. All I have is an intake and some exhaust work. I have an EGR valve block, and throttle body coolant bypass, but that doesn't count for much. That's running on a stock Type I ECU.

cuttie · 03-08-07, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Diaz

It's all about the torque. Read my dyno sheet compared to most other Type II's.

Nobody has come close to 218 ft lbs torque at the wheels without major mods. All I have is an intake and some exhaust work. I have an EGR valve block, and throttle body coolant bypass, but that doesn't count for much. That's running on a stock Type I ECU.

Where is the dyno? If what you're saying is right, maybe going with a '92 LS coupe over a '95 GS Sedan wouldn't be (sooo) bad.

EDIT: My bad, for some reason just now I was thinking of a Type I over a Type II. When I was supposed to be thinking RL vs. Type II Disregard the 2nd sentence, but where is that dyno?

**Mike Diaz** · 03-08-07, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cuttie

Where is the dyno? If what you're saying is right, maybe going with a '92 LS coupe over a '95 GS Sedan wouldn't be (sooo) bad.

EDIT: My bad, for some reason just now I was thinking of a Type I over a Type II. When I was supposed to be thinking RL vs. Type II Disregard the 2nd sentence, but where is that dyno?

It's in the first post of this thread. I spent a lot of hours writing that up, please read it sometime.

Kaztro · 03-11-07, 10:26 PM

I have a type 2 what kind of Gains do you get with the swap ?

Do you have to swap the ECU to get the Real gain ?

there is a 98 rl engine out here for 850 so i'd like to know if it'll be worth the money. Which is why i ask.

**Mike Diaz** · 03-12-07, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaztro

I have a type 2 what kind of Gains do you get with the swap ?

Do you have to swap the ECU to get the Real gain ?

there is a 98 rl engine out here for 850 so i'd like to know if it'll be worth the money. Which is why i ask.

I honestly can't tell the power difference between a Type I and Type II just by driving it. I can, however, feel the difference with the 3.5L. I'm installing a 94-95 computer here in a few weeks. Supposedly the 94-95 computers are a bit better for the 3.5L.

Check www.car-part.com for your best price on the engine.

Kaztro · 03-12-07, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Diaz

I honestly can't tell the power difference between a Type I and Type II just by driving it. I can, however, feel the difference with the 3.5L. I'm installing a 94-95 computer here in a few weeks. Supposedly the 94-95 computers are a bit better for the 3.5L.

Check www.car-part.com for your best price on the engine.

3.5 L would be a good upgrade huh. when you say power do you mean Tq, Hp or Both. I know I'm making you guys sound like a broken record, so apologize.

**Mike Diaz** · 03-13-07, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaztro

3.5 L would be a good upgrade huh. when you say power do you mean Tq, Hp or Both. I know I'm making you guys sound like a broken record, so apologize.

It's all about the torque. 187 hp 218 ft lb torque at the wheels, untuned.

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Kaztro Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fredericksburg Va Posts: 18 Car 1: 93 Legend iTrader: (0)	I have a type 2 what kind of Gains do you get with the swap ? Do you have to swap the ECU to get the Real gain ? there is a 98 rl engine out here for 850 so i'd like to know if it'll be worth the money. Which is why i ask.