DYNO NUMBERS: For the G2 Cpe/Sdn Modded/Unmodded - Page 10

Forevralegend · 11-04-07, 12:39 AM

wow that seems really far off from where you should be with your mods.. can you explain more what you did? did you go to a dynojet and dynopack and run your car with the same mods?

kotetu · 11-04-07, 12:45 AM

not sure what seems off - I am exactly where I expected to be. Dynojet runs were done earlier this year - everything stock except for stromung cat back, (191/181), everything stock, except for stromung cat back and OBX header, (204/191), and now on a dynapack, I've gained around 25whp and 25wtq by adding a CAI, chip, pulleys, and flywheel.

Seems spot on to me.

My guestimate of the dynajet readings is based on the thread I linked. I subtracted 11 hp and 5 tq to get the dynajet equivalent to my dynapack readings of 241/220.

What I have not yet done but am basically started on are the following:
Cams
Intake manifold
throttle body
final drive

Forevralegend · 11-04-07, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotetu

not sure what seems off - I am exactly where I expected to be. Dynojet runs were done earlier this year - everything stock except for stromung cat back, (191/181), everything stock, except for stromung cat back and OBX header, (204/191), and now on a dynapack, I've gained around 25whp and 25wtq by adding a CAI, chip, pulleys, and flywheel.

Seems spot on to me.

My guestimate of the dynajet readings is based on the thread I linked. I subtracted 11 hp and 5 tq to get the dynajet equivalent to my dynapack readings of 241/220.

What I have not yet done but am basically started on are the following:
Cams
Intake manifold
throttle body
final drive

it seems far off because no one has gotten above 210 hp without cams.. and without a 3.5 no one has gotten that much torque even on a dynapack dyno. i find it odd that you did without cams... why do you think its right on target? look in this thread at everyones dynos on dynapacks and dynojets with their mods and you'll see what im talking about.

Alperovich · 11-04-07, 01:08 AM

/\ i think they are pretty spot on too, if u look at it closely, he got similar numbers as kenso with cams, which makes sense since the pulley's provide a similar gain as the cams did.

aaron, just think how much more power you'll get with those cams!

I expect similar numbers when i dyno my coupe running similar mods. hopefully after telion fixes my ecu.

kotetu · 11-04-07, 01:12 AM

Yeah I noticed that lots of folks are coming up short on torque with the 3.2. Not sure why though, I never have. On the dynojet I was at 204whp and 191 tq. I was using a stock intake, stock 6 speed flywheel, type 1 crank pulley, and stock chip.

I guessed, being that the rest of my airflow system was already opened up, that a CAI would give me somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 or 6 whp.
Kyle posted that he experienced roughly 10whp and 10wtq gains across the boards using his pulleys, so that brings it up to 15.
The 5 speed flywheel cuts like 20 pounds off of the drivetrain. I figured that was probably good for another 10. Up to 25.
After speaking with Matt, he convinced me I would see 5whp from the chip he sent me. So, 30whp gain, almost exactly what I see.

One thing to note though, I'm using a JDM motor now, so perhaps there is some difference. I wouldn't really think so, but maybe that's it? Then again, the ratio of HP to TQ on the usdm motor was about 1.07. On the JDM, with the new mods, it's about 1.095. Seems consistent, considering the synergistic effect of each part on the other.

*Dv8* · 11-04-07, 01:12 AM

Finally a dyno from you!
But again whats with the dynapack. Not to say its not as good or anything but to remain consistant with the rest of Legend dynos we should all strive to remain on the same power measure standard.

Second guessing is the name of the game with different dyno systems. Every dyno measures differently especially dynapacks. They're all calibrated different some have more loss than dynojets and some see as much as a 20% gain.

Eitherway, if you go and dynojet the car i think youll be dissapointed. That TQ number is still way high even after your dynojet conversion. Maybe the JDM motor has higher compression who knows. Last I checked Kenso has 203tq w/cams.

I would suggest some 1/4 mile times, that would tell me if your dynos are fact or fiction.

Eitherway, great job

~Dv8

Telion · 11-04-07, 01:13 AM

Damn, Ko those are some sweet numbers you put up congrats man

Forevralegend · 11-04-07, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dv8

Finally a dyno from you!
But again whats with the dynapack. Not to say its not as good or anything but to remain consistant with the rest of Legend dynos we should all strive to remain on the same power measure standard.

Second guessing is the name of the game with different dyno systems. Every dyno measures differently especially dynapacks. They're all calibrated different some have more loss than dynojets and some see as much as a 20% gain.

Eitherway, if you go and dynojet the car i think youll be dissapointed. That TQ number is still way high even after your dynojet conversion. Maybe the JDM motor has higher compression who knows. Last I checked Kenso has 203tq w/cams.

I would suggest some 1/4 mile times, that would tell me if your dynos are fact or fiction.

Eitherway, great job

~Dv8

i agree that torque number is way to high, you should make sure that they inputed the right drive ratio's when you dynoed and that they imputed rim size and such.. if thouse numbers are correct though, i congratulate you, get a dyno at a dynojet or some quarter mile times for verification.

kotetu · 11-04-07, 04:08 AM

Code:

Member			DJ hp	DJ tq	DP hp	DP tq
sr79labrat		257	262		
Dv8			234	229		
forevalegend		230	204		
kotetu					241	220
Kenso			225	203		
ScotcH			200	180		
Alexander		199	180		
theGodFather				208	189
speed6					207	186
95Legend6spd		194	178		
Bad Boyz		191	178		
Mike Diaz		188	218		
91TypeII		185	172		
Tnelson			183	195		
Swift			183	190		
Dutchman		183	171		
Thai.95LCoupe		183	169		
Smokinfastlegend	180	166		
94Lcoupe		180	168		
Squal					188	164
dap0901			175	182		
LeolegendATL		174	186		
E K			173	180		
Hasbro			169	174		
wTnLeGeNd		169	172		
RangerJoe		167	177		
onemanchan82		162	162

theGodfather · 11-04-07, 03:26 PM

Correction to your chart:

208 WHP and 189 ft.lbs --->> MUSTANG DYNO
211 WHP and 182 ft.lbs --->> DYNAPAK

I did the DYNAPAK run about a year before the MUSTANG run and the only difference in mods between the two was removing my "home depot" intake and installing a Weapon-R Secret Weapon intake with cold-air box.

Since the MUSTANG dyno I installed pullies and replaed my Bayou Stage II chip with SR5GUY's Stage II chip. I would like to dyno now with those 2 mods and see the results. I still have yet to install headers and still am running the heavy 6-speed flywheel.

If I run again, I will run again on the Mustang dyno to really measure the benefit of the pullies + chip.

Forevralegend · 11-04-07, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotetu

Code:

Member			DJ hp	DJ tq	DP hp	DP tq
sr79labrat		257	262		
Dv8			234	229		
forevalegend		230	204		
kotetu					241	220
Kenso			225	203		
ScotcH			200	180		
Alexander		199	180		
theGodFather				208	189
speed6					207	186
95Legend6spd		194	178		
Bad Boyz		191	178		
Mike Diaz		188	218		
91TypeII		185	172		
Tnelson			183	195		
Swift			183	190		
Dutchman		183	171		
Thai.95LCoupe		183	169		
Smokinfastlegend	180	166		
94Lcoupe		180	168		
Squal					188	164
dap0901			175	182		
LeolegendATL		174	186		
E K			173	180		
Hasbro			169	174		
wTnLeGeNd		169	172		
RangerJoe		167	177		
onemanchan82		162	162

get a dynojet dyno so we can compare

*Dv8* · 11-04-07, 07:15 PM

Wheres my 316WHP and 345lbft nitrous????

~Dv8

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotetu

Code:

Member			DJ hp	DJ tq	DP hp	DP tq
sr79labrat		257	262		
Dv8			234	229		
forevalegend		230	204		
kotetu					241	220
Kenso			225	203		
ScotcH			200	180		
Alexander		199	180		
theGodFather				208	189
speed6					207	186
95Legend6spd		194	178		
Bad Boyz		191	178		
Mike Diaz		188	218		
91TypeII		185	172		
Tnelson			183	195		
Swift			183	190		
Dutchman		183	171		
Thai.95LCoupe		183	169		
Smokinfastlegend	180	166		
94Lcoupe		180	168		
Squal					188	164
dap0901			175	182		
LeolegendATL		174	186		
E K			173	180		
Hasbro			169	174		
wTnLeGeNd		169	172		
RangerJoe		167	177		
onemanchan82		162	162

Forevralegend · 11-04-07, 07:38 PM

mmm that is sooo sexy dv8, i need to get my hands on some nitrous, do you think you can let me know what to get and stuff? im not a nitrous expert

mrkeith · 11-05-07, 03:23 AM

Aaron also has a reworked y-pipe which is surely a huge improvement over the OBX junk. Congrats., man! The effort always pays off

Alperovich · 11-10-07, 02:37 AM

my latest numbering

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alperovich

well guys here's my numbers. discuss....

base run (not sure whats with the dip

)

telion' stageII

telion - silver

telion - red

telion blue

current mods:
3-angle-valve job; slightly shaved heads; rebalanced motor
Labrat pulley's
OBX headers, ypipe, test pipe; 2.5 cat back; Vibrant performance muffler 2.5in duel3 out

these were done on a mustang dyno

11-04-07, 12:39 AM	#136 (permalink)
Forevralegend Type II King Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,118 Car 1: 94 Legend Gs type II iTrader: (11)	wow that seems really far off from where you should be with your mods.. can you explain more what you did? did you go to a dynojet and dynopack and run your car with the same mods? __________________ mods- 2.5" mandrel exhaust, deleted cat, cold air intake, web cam regrinds, comp cam valve springs, port & polish heads and manifold, tb bypass, egr block, five speed clutch/flywheel, 80a polyurethane mounts all around, type 1 pulley, headers,re-fabed y-pipe, SR5guy Custom Chip, 6speed swap, safc II, strut bar, F/R sway bars, FL tie bars, ksports,tune 243.3 hp 197.7 ftlb N/A dynapack before manual swap 232.8 hp 204.0 ftlb N/A dynojet 10/19/07 13.737 1/4 mile @ 100.207 mph & 2.012 60' NA

11-04-07, 01:12 AM	#141 (permalink)
Dv8 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CA Posts: 4,886 Car 1: 91' 3.5lt Extreme DV8ED Hybrid 6spd Car 2: 03' G35c Blk on Blk Car 3: 92'Yukon/06'Trailer iTrader: (11)	Finally a dyno from you! But again whats with the dynapack. Not to say its not as good or anything but to remain consistant with the rest of Legend dynos we should all strive to remain on the same power measure standard. Second guessing is the name of the game with different dyno systems. Every dyno measures differently especially dynapacks. They're all calibrated different some have more loss than dynojets and some see as much as a 20% gain. Eitherway, if you go and dynojet the car i think youll be dissapointed. That TQ number is still way high even after your dynojet conversion. Maybe the JDM motor has higher compression who knows. Last I checked Kenso has 203tq w/cams. I would suggest some 1/4 mile times, that would tell me if your dynos are fact or fiction. Eitherway, great job ~Dv8 __________________ AEM EMS Powered. 9 yrs and counting. Results, Where are yours? 12.953@107.865MPH 95 deg. Jun. 07' 3.5 6spd-#55 jet Nitrous 316WHP@5500RPM 345Lb-ft@4100RPM NOS 06-07'N/A 234WHP@5700RPM 229lb-ft@4600RPM 06-07' 13.782@99.135MPH N/A 95 deg. Jun 07' 03' G35c Auto Vortech Supercharged pshhhh 311WHP 274WTQ13.1@102MPH-on the brakes(108MPH) Hand fabbed Go-Kart 18whp 24wtq 8 page spread Honda Tuning 09-06' issue PM or Email only. Respect that! My Legends Website www.2slik4u.com

11-04-07, 01:13 AM	#142 (permalink)
Telion Of the Telion Chip Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hopefully In your ECU ;) Posts: 4,315 Car 1: White 91 KA8 5spd W/3.5, TII Cams & Manifold Car 2: White 91 KA8 JDM TII iTrader: (38)	Damn, Ko those are some sweet numbers you put up congrats man __________________ \/Provider of The Telion Chip click here\/ http://telionsite.com or search Telion Chip 3.5, TII cams,pnp mani & springs,Telion Chip,HID's,H&R's/Koni's,Addco Sway bars,TII calipers,RH C2's,R.J. shifter,DV8 EGR plate,CAI,OBX headers,2.5" exhaust,hi-flow cat,K2 muffler,Stage III clutch,S&D rotors, KVR pads, blackend damper, a CF hood, AFC NEO, 3.5 Aluminum pulley, & Web cams. C&R Racing radiator and more to come.

11-04-07, 03:26 PM	#145 (permalink)
theGodfather "the Don" Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA Posts: 1,002 Car 1: 1995 Carbon Black Metallic 6-Speed Coupe iTrader: (2)	Correction to your chart: 208 WHP and 189 ft.lbs --->> MUSTANG DYNO 211 WHP and 182 ft.lbs --->> DYNAPAK I did the DYNAPAK run about a year before the MUSTANG run and the only difference in mods between the two was removing my "home depot" intake and installing a Weapon-R Secret Weapon intake with cold-air box. Since the MUSTANG dyno I installed pullies and replaed my Bayou Stage II chip with SR5GUY's Stage II chip. I would like to dyno now with those 2 mods and see the results. I still have yet to install headers and still am running the heavy 6-speed flywheel. If I run again, I will run again on the Mustang dyno to really measure the benefit of the pullies + chip. __________________ 1995 Legend Coupe 6-speed Carbon Black Metallic 208 WHP @ 6250 RPM 189 FT/LB @ 5250 RPM MUSTANG Dyno 260,000mi and counting WeaponR Secret Weapon Intake - Cold Air Box - Custom 2.5" stainless exhaust system - Remus Rev3 Universal muffler -SPEC Stage II clutch - 5speed flywheel - SR5GUY Chip - APEXi S-AFC - Pullies - MLS copy strut bar - Short Shifter -18" ICON W65 Wheels - KONI reds/Ground Controls - Slotted Brembo Rotors - SS Brake lines - Walbro 255 -ICE

11-04-07, 07:38 PM	#148 (permalink)
Forevralegend Type II King Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,118 Car 1: 94 Legend Gs type II iTrader: (11)	mmm that is sooo sexy dv8, i need to get my hands on some nitrous, do you think you can let me know what to get and stuff? im not a nitrous expert __________________ mods- 2.5" mandrel exhaust, deleted cat, cold air intake, web cam regrinds, comp cam valve springs, port & polish heads and manifold, tb bypass, egr block, five speed clutch/flywheel, 80a polyurethane mounts all around, type 1 pulley, headers,re-fabed y-pipe, SR5guy Custom Chip, 6speed swap, safc II, strut bar, F/R sway bars, FL tie bars, ksports,tune 243.3 hp 197.7 ftlb N/A dynapack before manual swap 232.8 hp 204.0 ftlb N/A dynojet 10/19/07 13.737 1/4 mile @ 100.207 mph & 2.012 60' NA

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11-05-07, 03:23 AM	#149 (permalink)
mrkeith dealer-opted track pack Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: look behind you Posts: 3,521 Car 1: ka8 Car 2: chevro-legs iTrader: (2)	Aaron also has a reworked y-pipe which is surely a huge improvement over the OBX junk. Congrats., man! The effort always pays off __________________ The performance handling machine... If you've got coil-overs, corner-balance them! Please protect our environment: use a high-flow.