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Old 11-22-06, 08:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Engine Computer Chipping DIY; ECU Socketing & Removal NO 56K!

Socketing Tools and Supplies

• 10mm Deep Socket
• 6” & 3” Extension
• Ratchet
• Phillips and Flathead Screw Driver
• Sharp Pick tool
• Needle Nose Pliers
• Anti-Static Wrist Strap & Mat, optional but recommended
Hot Air Gun / Heat Gun
• 3 – 4 Stripped bread ties or DIP IC removal tool
DIP 28pin Machined Pin Socket
(cheap leaf pin socket WILL NOT work - melts)
DIP 28pin Low profile ZIF socket (optional, you will need this _in addition_ to the above)
• 30 Watt soldering iron (radio shack)
• 22ga (super thin) 60/40 Rosin Core solder (radio shack)
• Solder wick (radio shack – optional)

Programming Supplies and Software

If you do not have access to a pre-programmed chip, you will have to program your own. You are welcomed to contact other board members or myself for a pre-made chip with aftermarket fuel/ignition maps at a reasonable cost.

27SF512 or compatible EPROM Chip recommended
Suitable Chip Programmer - Moates BURN1
The Moates BURN1 is easy to use for the novice. This device also comes with the easy to use Flash/Burn Software. There are cheaper alternatives (Willem.org) but they are more difficult to use and have buggy software.
Beavedit 2 Software
• Aftermarket fuel and ignition map program or modify your own.

Interchange

If you are not confident, or if this is your first soldering project, I wouldn’t recommend doing this to your main ECU or practicing on an old circuit board. I would recommend obtaining a spare ECU. Note that there are many types and models of ECU’s for theses car, but by chipping it the individual model number no longer matters (the model number is the revision of the chip)

If you have a 91-92 Coupe or Sedan you can use:
A 91-92 Type I ECU
A 93-95 Type I ECU (note that these ECU’s have a nicer auto transmission program and more refined and updated programming)

If you have a 93-95 Sedan you can use:
A 93-95 Type I ECU
A 93-95 Type II ECU (need type I .bin file)

If you have a 93-95 Type II coupe, without TCS, you can use:
A 93-95 Type I ECU (need type II .bin file)
Any 93-95 Type II ECU

If you have a 93-95 Type II coupe, WITH TCS, you can use:
A 93-95 Type II ECU WITH TCS
(A 93-95 Type I or Type II ECU without TCS could be used, but some additional components will have to be soldered onto the board to support TCS. Look out for a DIY for this soon)

Removing the ECU






A. Remove the three screw-clips holding the trim panel underneath glove box, remove the panel.

B. Lift up on the front of the door sill plate. Remove the passenger side kick panel.

C. Pull back the carpet as far as possible.

D. Remove the four 10mm nuts holding the metal bracket on.

E. Lift up on the metal bracket slightly, enough to slide your hand under it and release the electrical connector on the black box (fan control unit) that is attached to the bracket. It may be easier to slide the black box off of the bracket. Be careful as there are sharp edges on the bracket.

F. Remove the bracket from the car, pull the bottom of the bracket out first, otherwise the top of it will hit the dash. Be careful handling it because the sharp edges will cut or scratch your leather / fingers.

G. Remove the 4 connectors from the right side of the ECU. If you have an auto transmission there will be an additional 5th blue connector on the left. If the connectors are difficult to remove, first push the connector into the ECU firmly, then depress the button and remove the connector.



Getting Prepared
  • A clean, spacious workbench is required.
  • Preferably, a table with an anti-static mat spread out.
  • You will need a cup or a dish for the screws removed from the ECU.
  • Also, you should have a soldering iron stand so that you don’t get burned.
  • If your check engine light is on before you start this project, get it fixed first.


Breaking down the ECU

1. Remove 5 Screws from top cover.




2. (A/T only) Remove 5 screws from transmission daughterboard.




3. Remove the 5 screws from the side case of the ECU.




4. Remove 5 screws from the bottom cover.




5. Remove 8 screws from the lower ECU board.




6. (A/T only) Tilt the transmission board and remove and set aside the bracket.




7. This is the ROM chip that you will be extracting.




Extracting The Chip

8. Strip three bread-ties, skip this step if you have a DIP IC removal tool.





9. VIDEO: Pass the stripped bread tie wire under each side of the ROM chip. Be careful not to scratch the PCB board with the wire. Twist them together so that you have something to pull up on. You will be re-flowing the solder on this section of the board, so the point of doing this is so that you have a place to pull up on the chip without disturbing other sections of the board.




10. The wires should be set up like this:




11. Heat the ROM chip for approximately 1 minute on high heat. Make sure that you keep the heat gun a few inches from the chip. It is critical to keep the heat gun moving and heat both sides of the chip. Keep upward pressure on the wires with a pair of needle nose pliers the whole time. This will indicate exactly when the solder has flowed (the chip will release from the board) therefore, you will not be able to over-heat the board.




12. This is what you want the pads to look like. By far, this is the cleanest most reliable method to extract a chip without destroying it.




Installing The Socket

13A. OPTION 1. Have a socket ready (with straight pins) and immediately press the socket in after the chip is removed. If it doesn’t go in, do not force it! Go to OPTION 2. By forcing and bending the board with it heated you risk failed or cold solder joints on the surface mount MCU (the two square chips).




13B. OPTION 2. Allow the board to cool for 5 minutes. Use de-soldering wick or vacuum soldering gun to clear the pads of solder. Insert the socket and solder it in place.



14. Turn the board over after cooling for 5 minutes and apply a small amount of solder to the socket and any other components in the area that appear to have been re-flowed (usually grey, not shiny).



15. Install the ZIF socket (optional) and re-assemble the bottom board inside of the ECU case, install the bottom cover and the 5 screws on the side of the case.




Wrap it up & Test Drive

16. If you are using a ZIF socket on an Automatic ECU you will have to shave a part of the transmission board connector off in order to clear the ZIF socket. I used a sharp razor blade to shave a small amount of the connector off at a time.






17. Reinstall the stock chip back into the ZIF socket.




18. Reinstall the transmission board and top cover with 1 screw each, reinstall the ECU into the car and start it up. If there is no check engine light and the car runs properly, you have successfully socketed the ECU




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Programming the Chip

1. Insert the stock ROM chip into the Moates Burn1 Programmer.




2. Open the Moates FlashBurn program and click "Read Chip".




3. Click "Verify Chip w/ Buffer" Make sure it says that it was successful.




4. Click Save "Save Buffer to File".




5. Type in the name of your program, I usually name it with the model number of the ECU and click "Save" In this case "PY3-A55.BIN".




6. Open the BeavEdit 2 Rom Editor Program. Click on the "Open" icon Button.




7. Select the File that you just saved with the FlashBurn program, in this case "PY3-A55.BIN", and click "Open".




8. You are brought back to the main BeavEdit window. Click on the "Settings" icon button.




9. Check the boxes that are circled, which should be by default, and click "Import Data".




10. Open the Aftermarket .BIN file that you would like to import the settings from and click "Open".




11. Close the settings box, and then return to the main window. Click the "Save" icon.




12. Enter a file name, in this case "PY3-A55 MODIFIED.BIN", Click on "Save".




13. Unlplug the USB cable from the programmer. Install a blank 27SF512 chip. Reconnect the USB cable.



14. Open a new instance of the FlashBurn program. Select "27SF512" chip (if this is what you are using). First click on "Erase Chip". Then Click on "Blank Check" Make sure this is successful. Finally, click on load file to buffer.




15. Load the file that you just saved with Beavedit2 in this case, "PY3-A55 MODIFIED.BIN".




16. Click on "Program Chip".



17. Click on "Verify Chip w/ buffer", make sure this is successful.



Install the chip in your ECU and your done!!!

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Old 11-22-06, 08:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Amazing DIY!!! +1up!!! Im sure alot more ECUs will be chipped because of this!
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nice, and i just scored an extra 6 speed ecu.
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wow now thats how u do a DIY, props... time to do this
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Updated with programming info. If you think I should divide this up into another thread, just let me know. This DIY took me almost 2 weeks, I am so relieved that its done. Thanks for the comments guys!
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f in nice dude..... a good step for us to understand our ecu
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This might be one of the best write ups i have EVER seen, awesome work man!
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Any idea if this same process and software will work on the 96-04 3.5RL ECU?

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Any idea if this same process and software will work on the 96-04 3.5RL ECU?

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I'm pretty sure it won't directly. If you can get me some high resolution pictures of your ECU with visible numbers of the chips, I may be able to examine it and determine if it uses a ROM chip or internal ROM. Since it is OBD2, it may be as simple as re-flashing the ECU. Do you know if the RL ECU uses an internal transmission controller? Another possible idea is an OBD2 -> OBD1 conversion harness and use a chipped Legend ECU.

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Wow, just wish I understood "NERD". But I speak english!
J/K...nice DIY, but I swear this computer shit is for the under 25 ages!
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Excellent job... I never would have thought of using hot air gun. Now I will get to work on my spare ECU. Thanks.
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