What Would You Like to See Next from Blackend Motorsports? - Page 4

mrkeith · 05-16-07, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackend

Corrections for you:
Acura's Factory Lower Rear Control Arms are weak in design and are usually the first suspension piece to bend. They are also hard to adjust and have no indication marks for resetting any adjustments.

SPC makes a ball joint replacement camber kit that adds height to the control arms and give us extra dents in the engine bay

I'm talking about real camber plates that mount on top of the struts and articulate the strut directly...

Not trying to reinvent the wheel, just trying to make it better

Okay--that makes sense to me. I didn't realize the factory arms were a weak spot. If you could make them lighter, I think they'd be more appealing from a performance standpoint because I have never read of anybody busting or bending a lower arm that wasn't rusted, crashed, or both.

I also thought SPC made plates these days; I am fairly certain that Ingalls does. You shouldn't have any trouble with SPC's ball joint kits, by the way. Ingalls' ball joint kit caused the problems because it added damn near 3" of height to the arm.

What about tie rods?

k.

DSL · 05-16-07, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackend

SPC makes a ball joint replacement camber kit that adds height to the control arms and give us extra dents in the engine bay

I'm talking about real camber plates that mount on top of the struts and articulate the strut directly...

Not trying to reinvent the wheel, just trying to make it better

YO! camber plates arent going to do anything on our cars b/c of sus. design.
if you want to make different camber adjuster, you will have to modify on the ingals design. or just slot the holes where the stock pieces fit.

mrkeith · 05-16-07, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DSL

YO! camber plates arent going to do anything on our cars b/c of sus. design.
if you want to make different camber adjuster, you will have to modify on the ingals design. or just slot the holes where the stock pieces fit.

We could make sliding plates, but the design would be funky because of the arm's curvature (I think that's what you're referring to). McPherson is so much easier ;P Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Blackend · 05-16-07, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DSL

YO! camber plates arent going to do anything on our cars b/c of sus. design.
if you want to make different camber adjuster, you will have to modify on the ingals design. or just slot the holes where the stock pieces fit.

I think I may have an application that might work (lot of maybe's!) but I'll know for sure in a couple months when we really dig into it.

DSL · 05-16-07, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackend

I think I may have an application that might work (lot of maybe's!) but I'll know for sure in a couple months when we really dig into it.

sure. but make sure you dont make camber plates. they WILL NOT WORK. go look at wikipedia.. mcpherson strut and double wishbone suspension.

Alperovich · 05-16-07, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

Okay--that makes sense to me. I didn't realize the factory arms were a weak spot. If you could make them lighter, I think they'd be more appealing from a performance standpoint because I have never read of anybody busting or bending a lower arm that wasn't rusted, crashed, or both.

I also thought SPC made plates these days; I am fairly certain that Ingalls does. You shouldn't have any trouble with SPC's ball joint kits, by the way. Ingalls' ball joint kit caused the problems because it added damn near 3" of height to the arm.

What about tie rods?

k.

its not that the rear lower arms are weak. although they can bend. its that the adjuablity for is VERY limited. my toe is adjusted as much as possible and its not way off and shreading tires. What Brian is working will solve that.

as Brian said, its not about reinventing the wheel but making it better.

BUZZARD · 05-16-07, 01:00 PM

I would like to see accurate camshafts. 110 centers for my N/A customers and
115 centers for the turbo engines.

Chris

mrkeith · 05-16-07, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alperovich

its not that the rear lower arms are weak. although they can bend. its that the adjuablity for is VERY limited. my toe is adjusted as much as possible and its not way off and shreading tires. What Brian is working will solve that.

as Brian said, its not about reinventing the wheel but making it better.

The best solution would be to fix the chassis damage or worn suspension components causing your toe to be so far off. By the way, your new signature is uber sexy. If you have a high-resolution shot, I'd set it as my desktop background

k.

Alperovich · 05-16-07, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

The best solution would be to fix the chassis damage or worn suspension components causing your toe to be so far off. By the way, your new signature is uber sexy. If you have a high-resolution shot, I'd set it as my desktop background

k.

THANX! i do have a high-rez.

whats ur email addy i'll send u the pic

the toe is caused by the uber-drop i have!

swift · 05-16-07, 08:34 PM

black portion is similar to our upper a-arm already. the threaded pieces are what bolt to the A-arm to the chassis. The blue part is a design taken off an OEM ford(i think).

The blue part then bolts to the black part. Where it bolts it uses elongated holes to move the blue arm forward or back allowing you to adjust caster. This coupled with a caster/camber plate for the struts we can have complete control of the entire suspension. And then blue arm with can have SPC balljoint(camber plate) ....you have 3+ points of adjustment.

good luck brian.

93LegendSedan · 05-16-07, 09:11 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed, I did keep up with the turbo thread from Kyle, but I thought it had died out.

Is there something now going on with more production possibilites?

I want my car to go vroooommm ptssssssss

Blackend · 05-16-07, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 93LegendSedan

Sorry if this has been discussed, I did keep up with the turbo thread from Kyle, but I thought it had died out.

Is there something now going on with more production possibilites?

I want my car to go vroooommm ptssssssss

We are not working on FI just yet. My philosophy is that our cars need to have the chassis sorted out first, because with basic bolt on engine mods, it's more than able to keep up with the suspension. Through my personal testing, once I feel like the suspension is ahead of the engine, we'll probably start looking at serious power adders. Tyler has some great ideas to try out whenever I get around to buying a spare engine to build. Our goal is to make this car good at anything you want to do with it. A lofty goal I know, but we believe this is the platform to achieve it. Plus Legends are just badass

Can you imagine a 3500 lb luxury car capable of running 12's and lapping teg's and civics on a road course? I can

tnelson · 05-16-07, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackend

We are not working on FI just yet. My philosophy is that our cars need to have the chassis sorted out first, because with basic bolt on engine mods, it's more than able to keep up with the suspension. Through my personal testing, once I feel like the suspension is ahead of the engine, we'll probably start looking at serious power adders. Tyler has some great ideas to try out whenever I get around to buying a spare engine to build. Our goal is to make this car good at anything you want to do with it. A lofty goal I know, but we believe this is the platform to achieve it. Plus Legends are just badass

Can you imagine a 3500 lb luxury car capable of running 12's and lapping teg's and civics on a road course? I can

Ideas is one way to put it. Its going to need tuning big time, but I have a whole plan set aside, with 2 cars and a test motor to work with (for now, maybe more) and we will see how it goes. Should have a motor built by oct for brians car, after doing some prep work and some testing, and using phils as a bastard tester, we should be ready to go. Then we will have a drop in engine to replace brians and then I will see what to do with that one. After we get one put together and running for a while, we will work on FI. Maybe even on 3.5s.

mrkeith · 05-17-07, 01:56 PM

Legends were designed for pimps.

**Mike Diaz** · 05-17-07, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

Legends were designed for pimps.

and pimpin ain't easy.

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