What Would You Like to See Next from Blackend Motorsports? - Page 8

Alperovich · 07-31-07, 01:50 PM

how about making something to protect the legend from hitting deer?

whats77inaname · 07-31-07, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kotetu

This is really an install video, but watching him set the preload gives me some idea of how the bar is going to resist up and down motion.

I wonder how that will effect normal driving though.

Normal driving isn't affected negatively by the bar. Having had one before, I can speak from experience. It simply feels more connected, more responsive. Turns are crisper, the car feels more stable. You can adjust the preload simply by turning the arms.

kotetu · 07-31-07, 02:48 PM

The question about normal driving.. maybe I should elaborate - the traction bar operates by pushing the suspension down towards the ground, right? So it resists upward motion.

But with an independent suspension, each wheel is supposed to be able to move up and down independently of the other, so for example, take my experience yesterday on the freeway - traffic slowed down to almost nothing in my lane because a huge chunk of tire was in the road, when I got there I had no choice but to drive over it.

How would the traction bar effect the suspension and handling (admittedly this was low speed, but assume for a moment city speed, say 30mph), while one wheel hits a bump such as I described?

whats77inaname · 07-31-07, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kotetu

The question about normal driving.. maybe I should elaborate - the traction bar operates by pushing the suspension down towards the ground, right? So it resists upward motion.

But with an independent suspension, each wheel is supposed to be able to move up and down independently of the other, so for example, take my experience yesterday on the freeway - traffic slowed down to almost nothing in my lane because a huge chunk of tire was in the road, when I got there I had no choice but to drive over it.

How would the traction bar effect the suspension and handling (admittedly this was low speed, but assume for a moment city speed, say 30mph), while one wheel hits a bump such as I described?

I would say that a bump is one thing vs. a pothole. Most of us have aftermarket rims, and we're on the lookout for potholes that would damage our rims so that we can avoid them anyway. If you hit a rim damaging pothole, I would imagine that you would have suspension damage regardless of whether you damage the bar or not. As far as a bump, like a speed bump @ 30 mph, I don't know. I've never hit a speed bump, or anything like that, @ 30

I had them for 1.5 years and drove some damaged roads with them, but I never had an issue with them. They never caused me any stress as far as handling was concerned. I can imagine that they improved grip on the front end, too, but since I can't prove that, I would just call that supposition. Anyways, I contacted Z10 and left a msg for Rob Schultz, the engineer and owner. Maybe we can get a custom unit fabricated if we get enough interest.

mrkeith · 07-31-07, 03:36 PM

I'd buy them, even though I'm just a poser with an automatic

whats77inaname · 07-31-07, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

I'd buy them, even though I'm just a poser with an automatic

You track your car sometimes, so I can see where this would benefit you, too

I had them on for every day driving, b/c I like a crisp handling car, and the bars helped quite a bit.

Alperovich · 07-31-07, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by whats77inaname

I would say that a bump is one thing vs. a pothole. Most of us have aftermarket rims, and we're on the lookout for potholes that would damage our rims so that we can avoid them anyway. If you hit a rim damaging pothole, I would imagine that you would have suspension damage regardless of whether you damage the bar or not. As far as a bump, like a speed bump @ 30 mph, I don't know. I've never hit a speed bump, or anything like that, @ 30

I had them for 1.5 years and drove some damaged roads with them, but I never had an issue with them. They never caused me any stress as far as handling was concerned. I can imagine that they improved grip on the front end, too, but since I can't prove that, I would just call that supposition. Anyways, I contacted Z10 and left a msg for Rob Schultz, the engineer and owner. Maybe we can get a custom unit fabricated if we get enough interest.

yea but throw on a suspension like mine or brian's or keith's and every imperfect in the road seems like a LARGE bump on a oem suspension. so, this the question is how much worse is this gonna make that. also how much is it going to limit suspension travel.

*Dv8* · 07-31-07, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

I'd buy them, even though I'm just a poser with an automatic

Me too, although I'm a poser with a manual.

~Dv8

whats77inaname · 07-31-07, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alperovich

yea but throw on a suspension like mine or brian's or keith's and every imperfect in the road seems like a LARGE bump on a oem suspension. so, this the question is how much worse is this gonna make that. also how much is it going to limit suspension travel.

Yeah, you Ksport guys might be in for a painful, bone jarring ride. I had g/c's on my del sol, and it was pretty low, but I know that the Ksports are wayyyyyyyyyyyy stiffer. That was one of the reasons I decided to back out of that g/b, b/c my g/f and son aren't as tolerable about those types of things. However, the Koni/GCs seem to be a little stiffer, but not that bad.

You could just remove the two aluminum arms when driving on the street, and then put them on when you autox, as they help w/handling as well.

mrkeith · 07-31-07, 03:54 PM

Damn, looks like there is some solid interest for these

I already have to stretch my back every morning because the suspension/seating position on my cars was creating health problems for me. I'm not going to lie; it's well worth it. I'd go stiffer.

Alperovich · 07-31-07, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Yeah, you Ksport guys might be in for a painful, bone jarring ride. I had g/c's on my del sol, and it was pretty low, but I know that the Ksports are wayyyyyyyyyyyy stiffer. That was one of the reasons I decided to back out of that g/b, b/c my g/f and son aren't as tolerable about those types of things. However, the Koni/GCs seem to be a little stiffer, but not that bad.

You could just remove the two aluminum arms when driving on the street, and then put them on when you autox, as they help w/handling as well.

quick disconnect design? or something u can adjust to load and unload the bars?

Blackend · 07-31-07, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkeith

Seriously, though... which projects are in the works?

Adjustable End Links
Lightweight Flywheel
Rear Strut Brace
Rear Seat Brace(s)

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Originally Posted by Alperovich

how about making something to protect the legend from hitting deer?

Brush Guards wouldn't look very cool on a Legend...

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Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Anyways, I contacted Z10 and left a msg for Rob Schultz, the engineer and owner. Maybe we can get a custom unit fabricated if we get enough interest.

Interested to hear what you find out from them. I'm not opposed to looking into it if they won't try and adapt a current model to the Legend, but they have some expertise in this area obviously that could help us along in our quest for aftermarket parts!

whats77inaname · 07-31-07, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alperovich

quick disconnect design? or something u can adjust to load and unload the bars?

The bar is designed to load and unload by turning it. The middle of each bar is knurled so you can get a grip and turn it. To disconnect it, you just have to remove 4 bolts.

Brian, your sig?

*Dv8* · 07-31-07, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackend

Adjustable End Links

Lightweight Flywheel

Rear Strut Brace

Rear Seat Brace(s)

Small and cheap enough.

Limited to manuals only- could be good or could be a disaster depending on weight. $$ too.

Come out of the speakers!?

On the floor, behind the seat- where?

~Dv8

07-31-07, 03:36 PM	#110 (permalink)
mrkeith dealer-opted track pack Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: look behind you Posts: 3,521 Car 1: ka8 Car 2: chevro-legs iTrader: (2)	I'd buy them, even though I'm just a poser with an automatic __________________ The performance handling machine... If you've got coil-overs, corner-balance them! Please protect our environment: use a high-flow.

07-31-07, 03:54 PM	#115 (permalink)
mrkeith dealer-opted track pack Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: look behind you Posts: 3,521 Car 1: ka8 Car 2: chevro-legs iTrader: (2)	Damn, looks like there is some solid interest for these I already have to stretch my back every morning because the suspension/seating position on my cars was creating health problems for me. I'm not going to lie; it's well worth it. I'd go stiffer. __________________ The performance handling machine... If you've got coil-overs, corner-balance them! Please protect our environment: use a high-flow.

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