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Old 12-09-07, 11:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Headers Dimensions Comparo...Stock vs. OBX (56k Warning)

Super thanks to Brent (Beeze) for providing me with these headers pics!

Okay guys so here's some comparo pics between the Stock Exhaust Manifold and B-Pipe vs. the OBX Headers setup...

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O2 Sensor Bungs:





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Measurements

Flange thickness on OBX Headers: 3/8"

Manifold Inlet Diameter:
Stock = 1.25" x 1.75"
OBX = 1.25" x 1.75"

Inside Pipe Diameter, Rear Flange:
Stock = 2"
OBX = 2.5"

Overall Length (Front bend to rear cat flange):
Stock = 40"
OBX = 42"
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I thought there would be dyno numbers.
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Old 12-10-07, 12:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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diggin the leather couches and the flanel pants lol

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I thought there would be dyno numbers.
oops...didnt mean to mislead...I'll adjust the thread title...
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diggin the leather couches and the flanel pants lol

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Overall Length (Front bend to rear cat flange):
Stock = 40"
OBX = 42"
my measurement was rough so the 42" might be more like 40"...we should both bring our headers to the meet on the 15th and do a real life comparo.
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nice guys. if i get the extra time, i may order a set (flange size was worring me)


Brent, when do you plan on getting yours installed?
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hmm the way i see it, the holes on the oem headers looks a bit wider then the obx headers. or im i just blind because its made out of stainless steel? damnit i want one now lol.
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nice guys. if i get the extra time, i may order a set (flange size was worring me)


Brent, when do you plan on getting yours installed?
Most likely after my deployment because I will have the funds to do the 5 spd swap then I willl install the headers...Do not wat to deal with loud drone of an auto w/ headers and full exhaust, ya know?...
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wow, those numbers are so close to stock. and we are comparing from the 2.5L exhaust right? which i thought was the same as the others? just wanted to clear it up.

you guys really need to do a before obx dyno, and a after obx dyno then also maybe a obx with a highflow cat dyno. this will really show what kind of numbers we can expect from these crap toys (obx's)....
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Yeah No problem....I'll bring em to the meet!

Alex, as far as the differences between 2.5 and 2.7, the rear manifold is a different part number, but the bolt pattern is exactly the same...the differences (whatever they may be) may be slight...but will not affect headers installation.

Also, the stock manifolds (as is usually the case) all flow into on large cast-iron chamber/cavity and then dump into the 2" b pipe. After that, they hit the y pipe (pretty much an "h" shaped piece that connects the front and rear manifolds) and then flow to the cat through a 2" pipe.

The OBX's start by flowing through a 3-1 tubes. However, the front bank hits the B-pipe while the rear bank is ONE PIECE with the B-pipe (but the are also 3-1). The entire assembly then flows into a 2-1 collector before the flex pipe and flows to the cat through a 2.5" pipe...

SO on paper and in pictures, this setup just screams better flow...but we are going to need numbers....

Like Alex said, we would need a baseline with somebody with stock exhaust, and then (preferrably) an install with just headers (which appears to be possible from my and Brent's measurements) and then (if they'd like) a third dyno run with Headers and a full exhaust....

Maybe we should start a little G1 fund to help with the cost of this if someone is willing to be the guinea pig?

I have a couple strikes against me because:

1) I have a 2.5 while the majority on here have 2.7s
2) I didnt dyno before full exhaust install...
3) My 2.5 is old and tired and would possibly churn out lower numbers anyhow

We'll figure this one out guys...stay tuned...
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I was going to do the dyno day that aaron tried to set up, but that obviously failed. however, my exaust isnt exactly stock, my muffler is there, just no pipe to it
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Would you be able to provide measurements between bold holes please
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Old 12-11-07, 09:08 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Nicely done!! The difference is BIG!!
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Just a Bumpdate:

Here are the pics of the two assemblies side by side courtesy of your friendly SoCal Crew









As you can see, there is in fact a 2" difference in length between the two pipes...if one did wish to install only headers and retain the stock cat and piping...it is indeed possible...
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