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Old 05-02-08, 06:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Acura TL Engine Cradle (Swap info reference)

For anyone possibly wanting to swap a 2.7 for a 3.2 or 3.5 Litre from an Acura TL. These are pics of the engine cradle from an '05 TL with the 3.2, but I sure its the same as the 3.5 in the Type-S. I've even included some pics of the underside of the engine with the cradle removed.

The large mount is on the FRONT of the car for reference. I'll try to include measurements later, I couldn't find my tape measure. The cradle itself is aluminum, and as you can see, it wouldn't be all that difficult to relocate mounts with some aluminum welding/hole tapping.

Why am I doing this? I'm gonna need some competition from the G1 group once the turbo is on my 2.7. I'm not sure if I'm gonna tackle this swap myself, but I might a few years down the road. I don't mind helping you guys out, as long as SOMEONE gets serious about a G1 engine swap! As far as the NSX swap goes, I wouldn't attempt it. The 3.5 in the Type-S is rated only 5 HP less than the 3.2 in the NSX, and you don't have to worry about fitting in those HUGE dual-cam heads.















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Old 05-02-08, 08:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i'm digging how the lower control arms (and the rest of the suspension), is similarly designed to G2 Legends. good info.

I will tell you thou, the G2 drivetrains sits MUCH farther back then the TL.
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I will tell you thou, the G2 drivetrains sits MUCH farther back then the TL.
Only cuz the engine's facing 90 degrees a different direction. I really don't know if you could incorporate this cradle with a G2 swap because of that tranny sitting back there, but definitely on a G1. Maybe one day I'll find a G2 6-Speed and I'll start thinking up some crazy shit for you guys!

Everything sits in the same spot as a G1: motor, trans, TB, and the shift linkage for a M/T will go in from the BACK instead of the FRONT on an NSX setup. Plus, the idea of having a 3 POINT FRIGGIN FIVE LITRE in a G1 gives me wood.
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Dude, you gotta slap that motor on the G1. Now thats gonna be a crazy ass prototype
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Only cuz the engine's facing 90 degrees a different direction. I really don't know if you could incorporate this cradle with a G2 swap because of that tranny sitting back there, but definitely on a G1. Maybe one day I'll find a G2 6-Speed and I'll start thinking up some crazy shit for you guys!

Everything sits in the same spot as a G1: motor, trans, TB, and the shift linkage for a M/T will go in from the BACK instead of the FRONT on an NSX setup. Plus, the idea of having a 3 POINT FRIGGIN FIVE LITRE in a G1 gives me wood.
yea, i was just looking at it from a G2 stand point.

Its not about having ideas bro, we all have plenty of ideas. its having money to execute the ideas is where the problem entails.
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Don't worry, Chopped, you'll get your competition soon enough Thanks for putting in the research time though! You're definitely a pioneer in many areas.
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its having money to execute the ideas is where the problem entails.
You couldn't be more right about that!
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Well I don't have one anymore. They were being difficult. Not enough money, and too many requirements... they wanted me at 15 shows a year, for 3 years once the car's done. And I couldn't even pick the shows! It would have been fine if they wanted to fork over more $ than they were, but they didn't go for it, so I gave them every dime back, and invested on my own. Better in the long run... 100% MY car, ya know.
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Mr Burns voice: Excellent!!
It would downright creepy if the G1 Legend's y pipe could bolt directly onto the J series exhaust manifolds.
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The main concern I have would be the lower control arms and whether or not they'll throw off the susp. geom. If not then the steering knuckles/hub, and lower strut mounts from the TL would be perfect.
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how possible do you think this would be?? and would there even be any more room for modifications?
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how possible do you think this would be?? and would there even be any more room for modifications?
Not much room to work to begin with, and the engine with the tranny doesn't take up that much more space than the engine/trans. in a G1. The major issues I see are the obvious suspension concerns, and actually getting the cradle to bolt to the car.

I'll get measurements as soon as I can, but ya know I'm in the middle of a whole lotta projects at once right now. Where do I find the time.....
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