1999 BMW M3 vs ME

MLC · 10-04-04, 10:18 AM

1999 BMW M3
5spd coupe
58,000
stock

VS.

1994 Acura Legend
auto coupe
97,000
some mods

We did 3 runs in an enclosed area where we took vigerous precaution.

His tires have very little tread left. I had no spare or jack

1st run.
I brake torqued 1500rpm in D3. 3-2-1-GO! He spun for a second we were nose to nose 30- 50mph he had a 1/4 a car on me. oops he had traction control on.

2nd run.
This time I brake torqued 2000rpm in D3. 3-2-1-GO! We both had good launches. He jumped off the line. we were neck and neck I pulled ahead around 50 and ended up being 1/2 car on him around 70mph.

3rd run.
This time we decided to back up a little bit. 3-2-1-GO! Now the LEGEND does not do well on slight inclines or hills. This must be do to the weight/torque. He got a good launch on me and ended up gettin 1 1/2 car lengths on me by 80mph

All in all I'm impressed with the way my car held up. I think with a 5spd or 6 spd it would have been a little closer in the 3rd run. I think an auto M3 would be a very good race.

kostas86 · 10-05-04, 09:35 AM

I would think that a M3 would own any Legend even with tire spin off the line.

MLC · 10-05-04, 11:10 AM

What I encountered was hardly an owning.

blitz · 10-05-04, 12:17 PM

It also depends on the driver....

MLC · 10-05-04, 01:32 PM

The M3 is bone stock with 240hp/225tq. I have 230hp/206+ mods what's so f'n hard to believe. He's been driving stick all of his life! Would it be more believable if i told you he beat me by 25 car lengths? Is that what you want to hear?I really don't understand the skepticism around here. Everytime I post an encounter I have someone doubting me. This will be the last time.

Plopper · 10-05-04, 01:38 PM

hmmm, my uncle has a 1998 M3 and no matter how much i love the legend, in no way or form does the legend compete with that car. BMW specially engineered that car for HP and i think it pushes 300's out of a 6 cylinder stock which is impressive. I will have to check on that.

94LCoupe · 10-05-04, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plopper

i think it pushes 300's out of a 6 cylinder stock which is impressive

Uh, no. The 1998 M3's sure as hell don't.

G2-GS · 10-06-04, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stalker

The M3 is bone stock with 240hp/225tq. I have 230hp/206+ mods what's so f'n hard to believe. He's been driving stick all of his life! Would it be more believable if i told you he beat me by 25 car lengths? Is that what you want to hear?I really don't understand the skepticism around here. Everytime I post an encounter I have someone doubting me. This will be the last time.

Some people on here base all their information from theories. They have no actual experience but they talk from 'hearing' and 'reading' specs. I believe you, cuz you have 1rst hand experience.

kostas86 · 10-06-04, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stalker

The M3 is bone stock with 240hp/225tq. I have 230hp/206+ mods what's so f'n hard to believe. He's been driving stick all of his life! Would it be more believable if i told you he beat me by 25 car lengths? Is that what you want to hear?I really don't understand the skepticism around here. Everytime I post an encounter I have someone doubting me. This will be the last time.

Never did I say that I doubted you

, I merely stated that I was surprised because the M3 is a quick car.

jigga622 · 10-06-04, 03:26 PM

look you newbies....hahahaha

first; the legend is slow
second; you'll lose....your legend is slower than his m3
third; he won't beat you by 25 car lengths...

you guys have no concept of this.......if he runs a 14.2 stock and the legend runs a 15.2 stock.....you think your eyes while you are driving are going to notice 1 second??????????

of course not........even if he ran 13's or 12's....you think 1 or 2 seconds is going to be that noticable??????? i mean if he ran 12's you'd notice it...but other than that; NO......

so do i believe you "were close to him in sight"?? i guess kind of.....

but you still lost....

LegendFan91 · 10-07-04, 12:35 AM

Dude, you sound like the newbie to me. Are you saying that the difference of 1 or 2 seconds in the 1/4 mile is not going to be noticeable between two cars? Alright, first off from experience racing against 11 and 12 second cars in my 13 second Mustang, it's not neck and neck, it's more like "I can barely see your tail lights", well that was against an 11-second Trans Am. At any rate, let me help you out with some math:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigga622

you think 1 or 2 seconds is going to be that noticable??????? i mean if he ran 12's you'd notice it...but other than that; NO......

Let's go with a moderate 1.5 second difference. Say I am racing a lightly modded Z06 that turns in a respectable 12.3 @ 118mph. I run my car bone stock and pull a 13.8 @ 101mph. Going 101mph I am traveling 148 ft/sec as I cross the traps. Let’s say my car is about 15 feet long (it might be a little longer or shorter, I don’t really know). Alright, the guy running low 12’s crosses the traps and then a second and a half later I do, assuming I was traveling 100mph the whole time, which I wasn’t, I would be 222 feet away when he finishes, or about 15 car lengths. However, since I am probably only doing about 90mph, let’s use that lower number (as it would put me closer to the traps), 90mph = 132 ft/sec * 1.5 seconds = 198 feet / 15 feet = about 13 car lengths. Now alright, I admit the math is a little theoretical, and that is over an entire 1/4 mile, which not many street races go that long, here is my point --> you are retarded if you think the difference between a low 12-second car and a high 13-second car won’t be noticeable in a race.

jigga622 · 10-07-04, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendFan91

Dude, you sound like the newbie to me. Are you saying that the difference of 1 or 2 seconds in the 1/4 mile is not going to be noticeable between two cars? Alright, first off from experience racing against 11 and 12 second cars in my 13 second Mustang, it's not neck and neck, it's more like "I can barely see your tail lights", well that was against an 11-second Trans Am. At any rate, let me help you out with some math:

Let's go with a moderate 1.5 second difference. Say I am racing a lightly modded Z06 that turns in a respectable 12.3 @ 118mph. I run my car bone stock and pull a 13.8 @ 101mph. Going 101mph I am traveling 148 ft/sec as I cross the traps. Let’s say my car is about 15 feet long (it might be a little longer or shorter, I don’t really know). Alright, the guy running low 12’s crosses the traps and then a second and a half later I do, assuming I was traveling 100mph the whole time, which I wasn’t, I would be 222 feet away when he finishes, or about 15 car lengths. However, since I am probably only doing about 90mph, let’s use that lower number (as it would put me closer to the traps), 90mph = 132 ft/sec * 1.5 seconds = 198 feet / 15 feet = about 13 car lengths. Now alright, I admit the math is a little theoretical, and that is over an entire 1/4 mile, which not many street races go that long, here is my point --> you are retarded if you think the difference between a low 12-second car and a high 13-second car won’t be noticeable in a race.

alright i exaggerated with the #'s.....but i was tired and just wanted to prove a point........

my point is: go to the track and race......get #'s......other than that you really can't tell accurately just by "eyeing it up"....

thats my point...

and of course it depends on the driver.....

let me put it this way.....if i was driving the m3.....a stock legend would have no chance....

fedor corolla · 10-07-04, 04:08 AM

ummm people its the new M3 with 333hp that runs 14.2 in the quarter not the second generation M3 that has 240hp. i belive that it actually was a good race. even a stock type II might give a m3 a run for its money. although the rear wheel drive will have the advantage.

jigga622 · 10-07-04, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedor corolla

ummm people its the new M3 with 333hp that runs 14.2 in the quarter not the second generation M3 that has 240hp. i belive that it actually was a good race. even a stock type II might give a m3 a run for its money. although the rear wheel drive will have the advantage.

what the hell are you talking about?????????? it says 1999 thats the e36 model...not the new e46......

so it's the one with 240 hp........and the new e46 m3 is faster than 14.2...hahahahhahahaha

KindBuddy · 10-07-04, 04:36 AM

1 second difference at 16 or 15 seconds would put cars closer together in the 1/4 than a 1 sec. difference with cars that could run 12 or 13.
Jigga is right here, and I have personally raced one of those m3's and FYI, it was the same result as you. About 1 to 1.5 cars. Come on guys, think of the times you have beaten someone by that much, then think of what kind of car they were in. Anyways, a legend doesnt have a chance against an m3 even though it "seemed" close. Good race anyways, im sure everyone thought a slaughterin' was about to occur, but didnt.

10-04-04, 10:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
MLC LEGENDARY MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 1,760 Car 1: 94 BLK/BLK COUPE Car 2: 97 Altima GXE 5spd iTrader: (0)	1999 BMW M3 vs ME 1999 BMW M3 5spd coupe 58,000 stock VS. 1994 Acura Legend auto coupe 97,000 some mods We did 3 runs in an enclosed area where we took vigerous precaution. His tires have very little tread left. I had no spare or jack 1st run. I brake torqued 1500rpm in D3. 3-2-1-GO! He spun for a second we were nose to nose 30- 50mph he had a 1/4 a car on me. oops he had traction control on. 2nd run. This time I brake torqued 2000rpm in D3. 3-2-1-GO! We both had good launches. He jumped off the line. we were neck and neck I pulled ahead around 50 and ended up being 1/2 car on him around 70mph. 3rd run. This time we decided to back up a little bit. 3-2-1-GO! Now the LEGEND does not do well on slight inclines or hills. This must be do to the weight/torque. He got a good launch on me and ended up gettin 1 1/2 car lengths on me by 80mph All in all I'm impressed with the way my car held up. I think with a 5spd or 6 spd it would have been a little closer in the 3rd run. I think an auto M3 would be a very good race. __________________ JDM KA8 Headlights~McCulloch 5300k HID~Fiberglass Eyelids by PJ~JDM KA8 Door Sills~K&N Intake w/OEM CAB~Lightweight Pullies~Bayou Stage II Chip~Stromung B Pipe~Magnaflow Cat~Remus Spec Exhaust~Koni Kontrols~CL-S Type/Ventus 215/50/17~SS Brake Lines~Brembo/Bradi Rotors~DC Tie Bar~KMS Strut Bar~Addco Rear Sway Bar~S2000 Antenna~Shaved Trunk~Optima Redtop

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kostas86 I Steal Gummi Bears Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,596 Car 1: Boxster S, Subaru STi, AMG E55, Benz E320 Coupe, & Benz 190e iTrader: (0)	I would think that a M3 would own any Legend even with tire spin off the line. __________________ ~Legend sold~ Photo Gallery: http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...ad.php?t=84932

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MLC LEGENDARY MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 1,760 Car 1: 94 BLK/BLK COUPE Car 2: 97 Altima GXE 5spd iTrader: (0)	What I encountered was hardly an owning. __________________ JDM KA8 Headlights~McCulloch 5300k HID~Fiberglass Eyelids by PJ~JDM KA8 Door Sills~K&N Intake w/OEM CAB~Lightweight Pullies~Bayou Stage II Chip~Stromung B Pipe~Magnaflow Cat~Remus Spec Exhaust~Koni Kontrols~CL-S Type/Ventus 215/50/17~SS Brake Lines~Brembo/Bradi Rotors~DC Tie Bar~KMS Strut Bar~Addco Rear Sway Bar~S2000 Antenna~Shaved Trunk~Optima Redtop

10-05-04, 01:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
MLC LEGENDARY MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 1,760 Car 1: 94 BLK/BLK COUPE Car 2: 97 Altima GXE 5spd iTrader: (0)	The M3 is bone stock with 240hp/225tq. I have 230hp/206+ mods what's so f'n hard to believe. He's been driving stick all of his life! Would it be more believable if i told you he beat me by 25 car lengths? Is that what you want to hear?I really don't understand the skepticism around here. Everytime I post an encounter I have someone doubting me. This will be the last time. __________________ JDM KA8 Headlights~McCulloch 5300k HID~Fiberglass Eyelids by PJ~JDM KA8 Door Sills~K&N Intake w/OEM CAB~Lightweight Pullies~Bayou Stage II Chip~Stromung B Pipe~Magnaflow Cat~Remus Spec Exhaust~Koni Kontrols~CL-S Type/Ventus 215/50/17~SS Brake Lines~Brembo/Bradi Rotors~DC Tie Bar~KMS Strut Bar~Addco Rear Sway Bar~S2000 Antenna~Shaved Trunk~Optima Redtop

10-05-04, 01:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Plopper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Owatonna, Mn Posts: 516 Car 1: 1991 Legend Sedan LS iTrader: (0)	hmmm, my uncle has a 1998 M3 and no matter how much i love the legend, in no way or form does the legend compete with that car. BMW specially engineered that car for HP and i think it pushes 300's out of a 6 cylinder stock which is impressive. I will have to check on that. __________________ The Best Things in Life havent happened yet My New Legend LEGENDS DONT DIE, THEY MULTIPLY

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10-05-04, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
blitz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 475 Car 1: 91 Legend Cpe iTrader: (0)	It also depends on the driver....

10-06-04, 03:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
jigga622 Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: pa Posts: 2,960 Car 1: 94 ls 6-speed black on tan iTrader: (0)	look you newbies....hahahaha first; the legend is slow second; you'll lose....your legend is slower than his m3 third; he won't beat you by 25 car lengths... you guys have no concept of this.......if he runs a 14.2 stock and the legend runs a 15.2 stock.....you think your eyes while you are driving are going to notice 1 second?????????? of course not........even if he ran 13's or 12's....you think 1 or 2 seconds is going to be that noticable??????? i mean if he ran 12's you'd notice it...but other than that; NO...... so do i believe you "were close to him in sight"?? i guess kind of..... but you still lost....

10-07-04, 04:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
fedor corolla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: vestal ny Posts: 33 Car 1: 2003 corollaS on day typeII iTrader: (0)	ummm people its the new M3 with 333hp that runs 14.2 in the quarter not the second generation M3 that has 240hp. i belive that it actually was a good race. even a stock type II might give a m3 a run for its money. although the rear wheel drive will have the advantage.

10-07-04, 04:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
KindBuddy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 478 Car 1: 01 Audi S4 6spd Blue Car 2: 00GSR Sedan5spdWhite iTrader: (0)	1 second difference at 16 or 15 seconds would put cars closer together in the 1/4 than a 1 sec. difference with cars that could run 12 or 13. Jigga is right here, and I have personally raced one of those m3's and FYI, it was the same result as you. About 1 to 1.5 cars. Come on guys, think of the times you have beaten someone by that much, then think of what kind of car they were in. Anyways, a legend doesnt have a chance against an m3 even though it "seemed" close. Good race anyways, im sure everyone thought a slaughterin' was about to occur, but didnt. __________________ Lightly Modded

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