How to shift.... - Page 2

katonk · 02-28-03, 03:06 PM

Unless Bob Bondurant, Skip Barber, and the SCCA schools start teaching it, I'm gonna continue calling it a bizarre technique. I have yet to attend a performance driving course that endorsed back handed shifting.

In fact, I remember a driving school at an autocross event that specifically said not to do that. They said to grab the knob, and shift it into gear. All that changing of hand positions is just wasted effort.

But hey, if that's what you're comfortable with....

toucci · 04-23-03, 02:24 AM

i think thats someones personal technique and it doesnt look very good. I think the best shift technique is whatever gives you the best control while retaining a quick throw. i wouldnt feel confident shifting that way, and it would probably be slower

blue88 · 07-19-03, 03:45 PM

5 speeds are the way to go. Automatics really blow. They're sluggish and never shift when you want.

bklynstunna · 07-31-03, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blue88
5 speeds are the way to go. Automatics really blow. They're sluggish and never shift when you want.

not always, i know some AT's that pack a punch,

i prefer 6 speed over 5 speed :p

scottsdreamcar · 09-22-03, 10:21 PM

this is kinda ironic.........i dont have my lisence quite yet but i still drive.......even though i drive a pickup ......when i was learning i never once had a prob with gears......i just like everyone else had probs with the clutch........thats all.....i have never skiped a gear...i have downshifted way to early......i was going from 4th into 3rd and just about blew the engine.....but it still holds up.....but i have noticed i dont have a technique i just shift!!!...weirdguess im not a pro!......but i`l take ya on at the track and my shifting is just as accurate as yours!!!

FF Drifter · 09-23-03, 12:56 AM

This kind of shifting actually doesn't work too well with the Legend. The Legend has a notoriously notchy shifter and extremely precise gates. The 2nd-to-3rd and 4th-to-5th shifts should be done with the part of your hand between the thumb and index finger. That backhand method just gets you in trouble. Good of downshifts, not good for upshifts.

**B+O** · 09-23-03, 12:16 PM

wee when practicing that technique i got comfortable witht he palm for the 2-3 the use some what of a back plus full over head hand tyle like the palm on the top of the knob, then the backhand-ish palm for 4-5 and imitation 5-6 its comfortable for me to backhand with fingers. Then downshifting...its easy to backhand the whole way back to 3rd then grab llike dude did.

CU-Legend · 09-23-03, 01:20 PM

I think it's easier to get into fifth from fourth doing the backhand thing from the technique then shifting backhand into sixth also. I've tried it for the 2-3 shift but I think normal shifting works better and I rarely miss 3rd now that I'm used to driving a manual..

Johnny Kim · 11-13-03, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cresap
my first car I learned to drive in was my 86 Legend 5 speed. Then I totaled that and bought a 90 auto, hated driving an automatic, it just never shifts when you want it to. Then I sold that and bought my 91 5 speed coupe. I will never go back to an auto, no more waiting for up shifts and down shifts. Plus I actually get better mileage. I have never tried the back hand technique it seems really akward especially since the 3rd gear in our cars doesn't always want to go in at high rpm's. I'll give it a try though.

learned how to drive in my friends 2003 grandam 5spd
and now i take his car to school since ima a share time student in auto mechanic

mr_nemesis2003 · 12-05-03, 01:45 PM

I don't see why you guys have so much problems with driving a manual tranny. Maybe b/c you guys learned in hard to drive cars which turn off on you easilly. I learned in a lil cheap ae86 corolla, that is the easiest car to drive. Now i drive the ferocious legend. I have still not shifted wrong. Horray to the everlasting legend.

Lost1 · 12-06-03, 12:28 AM

nobody is having trouble shifting, they are just trying to shift faster, to cut time off their track times.

mr_nemesis2003 · 12-06-03, 01:14 PM

I didn't know there would be a way to shift faster, other than just moving your hand and legs faster.

-NeMeSiS

Johnny Kim · 12-27-03, 04:59 PM

i juz shift...

aznman007 · 01-04-04, 12:19 AM

now what is double clutchin? i read on some of the searches but it confused me. i tried it and all i did was overrev the engine a tidbit while holdin the clutch down shiftin into a diff gear.....

FF Drifter · 01-04-04, 12:32 AM

Double-clutching is a technique to match revs for a lower gear. If you pull your gear from 4th-to-3rd for instance, I'm sure you've noticed the car jerks like crazy and you get all sorts of "idiot..." stares from other drivers around you. Double-clutching/single-clutching while downshifting are techniques to eliminate that downshift overrev.

Let's say you are in 4th gear and you want to downshift. You lift your foot off the gas, press in the clutch, then put the gear in neutral and let the clutch out again. Then you rev the gas ("blip the throttle") to bring the RPM up to the proper level for 3rd gear. Next you press the clutch back in again, but this time you put the shifter into 3rd gear. If done properly, the revs will match and the downshift will be much smoother.

Now downshifting this way before a turn when you only have two feet and there are three pedals... ~ well that's where the heel/toe stuff comes in. Check that thread out.

04-23-03, 02:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
toucci dog Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 69 Car 1: 1991 Legend L iTrader: (0)	i think thats someones personal technique and it doesnt look very good. I think the best shift technique is whatever gives you the best control while retaining a quick throw. i wouldnt feel confident shifting that way, and it would probably be slower __________________ '91 Legend L

09-23-03, 12:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
FF Drifter Yuka.Blue. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 2,723 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	This kind of shifting actually doesn't work too well with the Legend. The Legend has a notoriously notchy shifter and extremely precise gates. The 2nd-to-3rd and 4th-to-5th shifts should be done with the part of your hand between the thumb and index finger. That backhand method just gets you in trouble. Good of downshifts, not good for upshifts. __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto)

09-23-03, 12:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
B+O The Avatar Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 11,912 Car 1: why? iTrader: (1)	wee when practicing that technique i got comfortable witht he palm for the 2-3 the use some what of a back plus full over head hand tyle like the palm on the top of the knob, then the backhand-ish palm for 4-5 and imitation 5-6 its comfortable for me to backhand with fingers. Then downshifting...its easy to backhand the whole way back to 3rd then grab llike dude did. __________________ "Untainted by Concept of Limitation" -BozzSpeed -Reiko my baby -The MAIN person Thank you Leon. Your words help God said it, and it was so. Forum Rules *flossin,* breakin off the intersection crossin RL'in, ackin a iz-ass on them bosses

09-23-03, 01:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
CU-Legend Want another Legend Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 759 Car 1: '04 RSX-S Car 2: Legend on its way iTrader: (0)	I think it's easier to get into fifth from fourth doing the backhand thing from the technique then shifting backhand into sixth also. I've tried it for the 2-3 shift but I think normal shifting works better and I rarely miss 3rd now that I'm used to driving a manual.. __________________ In case you missed out on the group buy, I have a full set of pullies from the group buy for sale - $440 1991 Automatic Frost White coupe - Sold 1993 6-speed Granada Black Pearl Metallic coupe - Sold 2004 RSX-S Artic Blue Pearl - Traded 2007 Mazdaspeed6

12-05-03, 01:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
mr_nemesis2003 !NeMeS*S! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 90 Car 1: 88' Legend L iTrader: (0)	I don't see why you guys have so much problems with driving a manual tranny. Maybe b/c you guys learned in hard to drive cars which turn off on you easilly. I learned in a lil cheap ae86 corolla, that is the easiest car to drive. Now i drive the ferocious legend. I have still not shifted wrong. Horray to the everlasting legend. __________________ "Nemesis bringer of disaster/With more moves than a Tai Chi master"

02-28-03, 03:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
katonk mods: reenly washed Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 334 Car 1: 1993 L coupe iTrader: (0)	Unless Bob Bondurant, Skip Barber, and the SCCA schools start teaching it, I'm gonna continue calling it a bizarre technique. I have yet to attend a performance driving course that endorsed back handed shifting. In fact, I remember a driving school at an autocross event that specifically said not to do that. They said to grab the knob, and shift it into gear. All that changing of hand positions is just wasted effort. But hey, if that's what you're comfortable with....

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07-19-03, 03:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
blue88 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 13 Car 1: 1988 Legend Coupe iTrader: (0)	5 speeds are the way to go. Automatics really blow. They're sluggish and never shift when you want.

09-22-03, 10:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
scottsdreamcar Resident: Repo-Man Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: gresham Posts: 154 Car 1: Mazdaspeed Protege Car 2: 1988 Celica all-trac Car 3: Looking GS Sedan 6sp iTrader: (0)	this is kinda ironic.........i dont have my lisence quite yet but i still drive.......even though i drive a pickup ......when i was learning i never once had a prob with gears......i just like everyone else had probs with the clutch........thats all.....i have never skiped a gear...i have downshifted way to early......i was going from 4th into 3rd and just about blew the engine.....but it still holds up.....but i have noticed i dont have a technique i just shift!!!...weirdguess im not a pro!......but i`l take ya on at the track and my shifting is just as accurate as yours!!!

12-06-03, 12:28 AM	#26 (permalink)
Lost1 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 197 Car 1: hmm.......lets see how big this box is. does it end here? nope, guess not, here? damn. this is r iTrader: (0)	nobody is having trouble shifting, they are just trying to shift faster, to cut time off their track times. __________________ you might have as much luck with a rock in your intake - me http://www.alterahosting.com/~bloody...tpostcount.jpg

12-06-03, 01:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
mr_nemesis2003 !NeMeS*S! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 90 Car 1: 88' Legend L iTrader: (0)	I didn't know there would be a way to shift faster, other than just moving your hand and legs faster. -NeMeSiS __________________ "Nemesis bringer of disaster/With more moves than a Tai Chi master"

01-04-04, 12:19 AM	#29 (permalink)
aznman007 Legend Whore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nashville, Tn Posts: 2,238 Car 1: 1990 Acura Legend L, and 1990 5-spd LS Sedan iTrader: (0)	now what is double clutchin? i read on some of the searches but it confused me. i tried it and all i did was overrev the engine a tidbit while holdin the clutch down shiftin into a diff gear..... __________________ http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6018/sepiasig9kf.gif

01-04-04, 12:32 AM	#30 (permalink)
FF Drifter Yuka.Blue. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 2,723 Car 1: KA7 Legend sedan, 5 speed manual iTrader: (1)	Double-clutching is a technique to match revs for a lower gear. If you pull your gear from 4th-to-3rd for instance, I'm sure you've noticed the car jerks like crazy and you get all sorts of "idiot..." stares from other drivers around you. Double-clutching/single-clutching while downshifting are techniques to eliminate that downshift overrev. Let's say you are in 4th gear and you want to downshift. You lift your foot off the gas, press in the clutch, then put the gear in neutral and let the clutch out again. Then you rev the gas ("blip the throttle") to bring the RPM up to the proper level for 3rd gear. Next you press the clutch back in again, but this time you put the shifter into 3rd gear. If done properly, the revs will match and the downshift will be much smoother. Now downshifting this way before a turn when you only have two feet and there are three pedals... ~ well that's where the heel/toe stuff comes in. Check that thread out. __________________ -8000K HID low-beams/PIAA Spark 8000 high-beams/PIAA Plasma GT-X corners -Type II brakes/some weight reduction/new tires every 4-6 months -NA1 NSX wheels: Kumho Ecsta SPT 225/50V-16R in front, Kumho Ecsta ASX 205/60V-15R in rear -Custom built six-puck kevlar clutch/Lightened (aluminum) pulleys -[Mugen/Showa] suspension with remote-adjustable dampers -C35A1/C32A1 hybrid swap; smog legal (by GreenLight Auto)

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