Hp vs. Torque - Page 6

sap · 05-31-09, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by legendvr

Looks like we got a showdown on sesame street here...

I better not participate in this...

Then why bump it

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I've said my bit, and I think Ivan and I are man enough that we can agree to disagree on this

. I'd hardly call it a showdown either, I probably wouldn't have had this discussion with someone I didn't get along with well

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IkeRay · 05-31-09, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B+O

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I'm talking about the Units used to understand torque.

I'm not talking about what car, has what horsepower/torque, where, and why. I'm pretty sure i've harped about torque long enough in my first thread...

Anyway, lbs/ft is not the same as lbs-ft is interpreted...

lbs-ft is interpreted as "Force times a distance acting on a fulcrum"...lbs/ft is "Force acting FROM a fulcrum to a standardized distance." that distance would be 1 foot...

So in effect, no Lbs-ft and Lbs/ft are not the same.

I said this already...that exact example is in the first post.

this was my only argument in the whole thread...lol. It's funny to see sap and you having the same argument.

I agree 100% with your first post and everything you have said, my only argument is the lbs/ft =/= lbs.ft (aka ft.lbs) its actually an exponential difference.

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Originally Posted by Gothche

Huh, how stupid is this..... I know this post is very old, but I couldn't help it.
Kg is a weight and lbs is a weight, they are just different. Kg being the european version and lbs being the american.

and since I was quoted, I figured I'd give you an answer from myself even though it was already covered.

grams are a measure of mass, pounds is a measure of force. Force=Mass x Acceleration and since we assume all over the globe that earth's gravity applies a 9.8meters/(second^2) (terminal velocity in a vacuum I believe its called). the difference comes into affect when we measure ourselves in space. you will be the same Mass, unless you lose a limb or something, but you will be "weightless" meaning you will not be applying a force to anything, and thus 0 lbs.

say whatever you want about all the other crazy americanized measuring units (cups/gallons/feet/miles/etc) but americans sort of got it right with the whole weight issue, except when not on earth (which any american that didn't take physics class wouldn't know and actually be confused by this very conversation).

legendvr · 06-02-09, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sap

Then why bump it

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I've said my bit, and I think Ivan and I are man enough that we can agree to disagree on this

. I'd hardly call it a showdown either, I probably wouldn't have had this discussion with someone I didn't get along with well

.

That's not what I meant...

Quote:

grams are a measure of mass, pounds is a measure of force.

Pounds can be a measure or mass or a measure of force.

92drls · 06-02-09, 03:39 AM

Here we go again...

Gothche · 06-09-09, 09:03 PM

yes here we go again.
There's no torque vs. HP, and that's it.
It's actually the same thing in the end.
The higher the max torque is reached the higher the HP will get and then it doesn't matter if you have 210 reached at 4500rpm instead of 206 reached at 5000rpm, the 206 is still more powerful.
It is the HP that makes a car fast, so torque is just a different measurement of the power. It's the optimal working conditions for the engine(when it reaches max torque).
In our Legend engines with normal fuel injection you can't have one without the other. What makes turbo cars or VTEC cars quicker is because they reaches the max torque at lower rpm without loosing the max HP, since the max HP is still reached at higher rpm which gives a wider powerband. But when talking about Legends there's no discussion.