G2 Manual Owners..... Synthetic Tranny Fluid

Mckenzie93 · 03-05-02, 02:50 PM

Can we put synthetic tranny fluid into our manual trannies? A family member who did a lot of offroading swears by the stuff and recomended it to me. Just wondering if we can do that and what brands are the best... thanx:cool:

5speedLegend · 03-05-02, 03:02 PM

That's all I have to say

ScotcH · 03-05-02, 03:25 PM

As stated above, Redline. Do NOT use synthetic motor oil ... it's too slippery for the synchros. Also, I've gotton mixed signals on whether to use Redline MTL or Redline MT90. I've been using MTL, but I think I'll try the MT90 (I think it's more viscous, and hence better for my aging synchros)

Mckenzie93 · 03-05-02, 06:45 PM

So is redline synthetic or just high performance oil then?? Where can I get it and what type should I buy..?? Thanx guys...

ScotcH · 03-05-02, 07:19 PM

Redline is synthetic, but it's specially formulated for manual transmissions. As to the type (MTL or MT90) you'll have to get an answer from someone else (as I said, I use MTL now, nut i might switch). Anyone have a final say on this?

BLF · 03-05-02, 11:23 PM

I have used the MTL. I don't know about the MT90, but I have nothing but praise for the MTL.

likeparty · 03-06-02, 12:15 AM

Nothing within miles of me.
Online? Working with Mobil One in the gear box. Better than what was in there but still balky into 3rd gear...synchros!

Mckenzie93 · 03-06-02, 01:02 AM

Is your mobile 1 synthetic? Also, My six speed shifts very easily from 2nd to 3rd, but down shifting is very shakey. Sometimes, it does not want to even go in, especially from 5th to 3rd. Is this your case? And others who read this please respond as well.... as I am just trying to get a feel for my car... Its really the only gear I have trouble with... Thanx.

KNLNGUS · 03-06-02, 09:26 AM

Mckenzie91

Try double clutching when skipping a gear or by better matching the RPMs with start of the RPMs that you will be in when your trans engages 3rd.

KNLNGUS

PS. MT90, you won't be sorry.

Mckenzie93 · 03-06-02, 01:19 PM

Can you enlighten me on this technique as I am a newbie to drving standard? I heard that double clutching phrase in Fast and Furious..... are you trying to get me to do some hollywood type stuff

:p ? Thanx W.

KNLNGUS · 03-06-02, 01:26 PM

Here is a link which explains "double clutch" shifting.

http://integra.vtec.net/driving/dclutch.html

KNLNGUS

ScotcH · 03-06-02, 02:18 PM

Double-clutching, although it will save your clutch in the long run takes way too long to master properly, and the gains a minimal on modern cars. Simply matching the revs is much easier, and quite effective. When going from 5th to 3rd, simply hit (blip) the gas with the clutch in to bring it up to where the 3rd will be ... probably like 4-5k (depending on your speed). You will get a feel for the rpms in each gear at various speeds, and the rev matching will become second nature. You should never use your engine as a braking method ... this eats clutches for breakfast!

Also, on mine, it's the 1-2 shift that is rough ... none of the downshifts are a problem (except into 1st, which I never do). So, it seems that our various minor shift problems are due to individual wear, and not a property of all Legend boxes.

likeparty: If the Mobil 1 is a synthetic motor oil, I can't imagine how you can drive your car. I had sythetic 10w40 in for a few days (the mechanic screwed up) and I could barely shift. It would grind in most gears, because the syncros couldn't grab (too slippery!) I switched to MTL, and everthing is fine.

Mckenzie93 · 03-06-02, 02:35 PM

KNLNGUS..... I will have to study that page... it is pretty advanced for my simple brain to handle while I am driving around on ice in this deepfreeze/blizzard we are experiencing... thanx though, some very useful info there that I never was exposed to before.

Scotch.... By engine braking you mean gearing down right.... like when coasting in 5th at like 80km/h, gearing down through 4, 3 and 2 to slow down to a stop... I was told to always gear down because it saves brakes. I do a combo of both.. a little downshift and feather the brakes a bit... hmmmmm

ScotcH · 03-06-02, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mckenzie91
Scotch.... By engine braking you mean gearing down right.... like when coasting in 5th at like 80km/h, gearing down through 4, 3 and 2 to slow down to a stop... I was told to always gear down because it saves brakes. I do a combo of both.. a little downshift and feather the brakes a bit... hmmmmm

Yes, that's what I mean. What you've been told is correct ... it will save the brakes. However, consider the price of new brake pads vs the cost of a new clutch. I think the choice is clear

likeparty · 03-07-02, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScotcH
likeparty: If the Mobil 1 is a synthetic motor oil, I can't imagine how you can drive your car. I had sythetic 10w40 in for a few days (the mechanic screwed up) and I could barely shift. It would grind in most gears, because the syncros couldn't grab (too slippery!) I switched to MTL, and everthing is fine. [/b]

The manual calls for regular motor oil. I bought the car and the bozo I bought it from (either intentionally...hoping to mask the 3rd gear synchro issue or as I hope out of ignorance put 90W gear oil in both the diffy and tranny. I drained and filled with regular oil twice with no improvement or worsening then converted to the MOB1 hoping to resolve the synchro issue. I am here to tell you that my 5 speed 91 shifts just fine with MOB1. The 3rd gear synchro is still a bit balky but somewhat better than with the bunghole's gear oil and the regular oil.
As to the other's comments, of course I rev shift matching the RPM's with the gearing going up and down through 3rd with good results.
I would gladly invest in 3 quarts of Redline MTL oil and re-change the tranny again...but where can I get the stuff?

03-05-02, 02:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mckenzie93 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,228 Car 1: 1993 LS Coupe, 6 Speed iTrader: (0)	G2 Manual Owners..... Synthetic Tranny Fluid Can we put synthetic tranny fluid into our manual trannies? A family member who did a lot of offroading swears by the stuff and recomended it to me. Just wondering if we can do that and what brands are the best... thanx:cool: __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../DSCN45691.jpg

03-05-02, 03:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
5speedLegend Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 56 iTrader: (0)	Redline That's all I have to say

03-05-02, 03:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
ScotcH Legend no more Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 1,016 Car 1: BMW M3 iTrader: (1)	As stated above, Redline. Do NOT use synthetic motor oil ... it's too slippery for the synchros. Also, I've gotton mixed signals on whether to use Redline MTL or Redline MT90. I've been using MTL, but I think I'll try the MT90 (I think it's more viscous, and hence better for my aging synchros) __________________ '93 Legend Coupe LS - 6-speed (fast, pimp) SOLD '96 BMW M3 (faster, but less pimp) '95 BMW M3 (fastest, not pimp, track car) '88 Nissan 200sx - 5-speed (ice race, winter beater) '06 Subaru Impreza - 5-speed (grocery getter, winter fun) 2nd Generation FAQ...Click here http://www.macrocosm.on.ca/images/m3_sig.jpg

03-05-02, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mckenzie93 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,228 Car 1: 1993 LS Coupe, 6 Speed iTrader: (0)	So is redline synthetic or just high performance oil then?? Where can I get it and what type should I buy..?? Thanx guys... __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../DSCN45691.jpg

03-05-02, 07:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
ScotcH Legend no more Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 1,016 Car 1: BMW M3 iTrader: (1)	Redline is synthetic, but it's specially formulated for manual transmissions. As to the type (MTL or MT90) you'll have to get an answer from someone else (as I said, I use MTL now, nut i might switch). Anyone have a final say on this? __________________ '93 Legend Coupe LS - 6-speed (fast, pimp) SOLD '96 BMW M3 (faster, but less pimp) '95 BMW M3 (fastest, not pimp, track car) '88 Nissan 200sx - 5-speed (ice race, winter beater) '06 Subaru Impreza - 5-speed (grocery getter, winter fun) 2nd Generation FAQ...Click here http://www.macrocosm.on.ca/images/m3_sig.jpg

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03-05-02, 11:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
BLF Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 143 iTrader: (0)	I have used the MTL. I don't know about the MT90, but I have nothing but praise for the MTL. __________________ --Brian '93 L Coupe 6 Speed

03-06-02, 12:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
likeparty Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Groveland, FL, USA Posts: 90 iTrader: (0)	And the source for Redline on line is? Nothing within miles of me. Online? Working with Mobil One in the gear box. Better than what was in there but still balky into 3rd gear...synchros! __________________ Marty likeparty 1991 white Legend coupe 5 speed

03-06-02, 01:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mckenzie93 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,228 Car 1: 1993 LS Coupe, 6 Speed iTrader: (0)	Is your mobile 1 synthetic? Also, My six speed shifts very easily from 2nd to 3rd, but down shifting is very shakey. Sometimes, it does not want to even go in, especially from 5th to 3rd. Is this your case? And others who read this please respond as well.... as I am just trying to get a feel for my car... Its really the only gear I have trouble with... Thanx. __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../DSCN45691.jpg

03-06-02, 09:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
KNLNGUS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northern Virgina Posts: 726 Car 1: 95 6spd coupe iTrader: (0)	Mckenzie91 Try double clutching when skipping a gear or by better matching the RPMs with start of the RPMs that you will be in when your trans engages 3rd. KNLNGUS PS. MT90, you won't be sorry.

03-06-02, 01:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mckenzie93 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,228 Car 1: 1993 LS Coupe, 6 Speed iTrader: (0)	Can you enlighten me on this technique as I am a newbie to drving standard? I heard that double clutching phrase in Fast and Furious..... are you trying to get me to do some hollywood type stuff :p ? Thanx W. __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../DSCN45691.jpg

03-06-02, 01:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
KNLNGUS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northern Virgina Posts: 726 Car 1: 95 6spd coupe iTrader: (0)	Here is a link which explains "double clutch" shifting. http://integra.vtec.net/driving/dclutch.html KNLNGUS

03-06-02, 02:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
ScotcH Legend no more Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 1,016 Car 1: BMW M3 iTrader: (1)	Double-clutching, although it will save your clutch in the long run takes way too long to master properly, and the gains a minimal on modern cars. Simply matching the revs is much easier, and quite effective. When going from 5th to 3rd, simply hit (blip) the gas with the clutch in to bring it up to where the 3rd will be ... probably like 4-5k (depending on your speed). You will get a feel for the rpms in each gear at various speeds, and the rev matching will become second nature. You should never use your engine as a braking method ... this eats clutches for breakfast! Also, on mine, it's the 1-2 shift that is rough ... none of the downshifts are a problem (except into 1st, which I never do). So, it seems that our various minor shift problems are due to individual wear, and not a property of all Legend boxes. likeparty: If the Mobil 1 is a synthetic motor oil, I can't imagine how you can drive your car. I had sythetic 10w40 in for a few days (the mechanic screwed up) and I could barely shift. It would grind in most gears, because the syncros couldn't grab (too slippery!) I switched to MTL, and everthing is fine. __________________ '93 Legend Coupe LS - 6-speed (fast, pimp) SOLD '96 BMW M3 (faster, but less pimp) '95 BMW M3 (fastest, not pimp, track car) '88 Nissan 200sx - 5-speed (ice race, winter beater) '06 Subaru Impreza - 5-speed (grocery getter, winter fun) 2nd Generation FAQ...Click here http://www.macrocosm.on.ca/images/m3_sig.jpg

03-06-02, 02:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mckenzie93 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 3,228 Car 1: 1993 LS Coupe, 6 Speed iTrader: (0)	KNLNGUS..... I will have to study that page... it is pretty advanced for my simple brain to handle while I am driving around on ice in this deepfreeze/blizzard we are experiencing... thanx though, some very useful info there that I never was exposed to before. Scotch.... By engine braking you mean gearing down right.... like when coasting in 5th at like 80km/h, gearing down through 4, 3 and 2 to slow down to a stop... I was told to always gear down because it saves brakes. I do a combo of both.. a little downshift and feather the brakes a bit... hmmmmm __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../DSCN45691.jpg

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