GRRR, I'm gonna miss Carlisle unless I figure out why my car isn't starting

**Mike Diaz** · 05-15-04, 12:00 PM

I've been under the hood for 4 hours now and I cannot figure it out. I just replaced the timing belt and water pump and that's it. First things first, when I turn the ignition on, I do not get the "Engine" light like my sedan. I checked for fuel, plenty of fuel. Then I checked spark and didn't get any spark. So first off I repaced the ignitor from my sedan. nothing.

I"m about to swap the wiring harness, I need ideas quick. This car hasn't been running for 6 months now, and I go to put it back together and it won't start. It turns over and turns over then nothing.

H.E.L.P.!!!!!!!

*hnic* · 05-15-04, 12:48 PM

im no motorhead but heres a wild guess....fuel pump....more specifically that solder joint that becomes ineffective

DJPolak · 05-15-04, 01:24 PM

fuses , ECU

*hnic* · 05-15-04, 01:43 PM

alternator possibly...

Rumnarv · 05-15-04, 02:22 PM

If its not getting spark, check the Ignition Control Module, if this checks out then check the crankshaft position sensor. I had problems with intermittant start on my 93 Legend and it turned out that the crank position sensor was the culpret. All of the plastic melted away from the coils and after 190000 miles it just gave up. It appears to be a common problem for it to melt. I hope this helps.

**Mike Diaz** · 05-15-04, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Rumnarv
If its not getting spark, check the Ignition Control Module, if this checks out then check the crankshaft position sensor. I had problems with intermittant start on my 93 Legend and it turned out that the crank position sensor was the culpret. All of the plastic melted away from the coils and after 190000 miles it just gave up. It appears to be a common problem for it to melt. I hope this helps.

I was also thinking crankshaft position sensor, also possibly the camshaft position sensor. The thing that sucks is that the ECU won't show codes for some reason. I swapped in a known good ECU and it did the same thing. I already swapped the ICM with a known good one and that also did the same thing.

Rumnarv · 05-15-04, 11:54 PM

When I had the intermittant starting problem, mine didn't show any codes either. I tried everything. When I replaced my BHG, I noticed the melting. I took the sensor to Acura and they tested it somehow and said that it was shorting its self.

That will suck if the CPS is the problem, you will have to take it all apart again. Good luck

Jetdoc · 05-15-04, 11:58 PM

Mike, Make sure you have reconnected the ground wires. The two that I remember are the one at the thermostat housing and the one at the fuel rail. Other than that recheck all connectors, fuses and relay junctions. Good luck.

alexc · 05-16-04, 04:03 AM

Is the bulb in the CEL burned out or removed?

I need to get in touch with you about coming up for the bodywork, I tried the number you gave me last time but it was out of service or something like that. I need to know if it's ok for me to come up, and also the address of the shop so I can get directions.

CU-Legend · 05-16-04, 06:10 PM

Maybe the main relay?

*Dv8* · 05-16-04, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by CU-Legend
Maybe the main relay?

yea the main relay and make sure all the grond wire are in place and check for fuses.

If i remember right power sequence goes like this:

Ignition, fuel pump prime,ECU,fuel pump&ICM &injector resistor pack(Injectors).

crank angle sensor gives the ECU the signal, so its considereded powered when the ecu is.

driveway · 05-17-04, 10:29 AM

mike spray a shot of ether into the air intake and give it a crank, if it starts you know you have a fuel problem, if it does'nt then I would start with the obvious like fuses and wire connections, check them for corrosion and a locking fit. how long did you crank on it? maybe pull a plug or two and make sure they are not drenched with fuel. if they are don't try and clean them go buy some new ones. check your plug boots for signs of arcing inside the head. good luck, one of those should fit the bill since the belt is new, wouldnt hurt to test the cam/ crank sensors if all else fails

SORRY if this one is stupid but is there enough gas in the tank? I've seen it way to many times to overlook it..

**Mike Diaz** · 05-17-04, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by driveway
mike spray a shot of ether into the air intake and give it a crank, if it starts you know you have a fuel problem, if it does'nt then I would start with the obvious like fuses and wire connections, check them for corrosion and a locking fit. how long did you crank on it? maybe pull a plug or two and make sure they are not drenched with fuel. if they are don't try and clean them go buy some new ones. check your plug boots for signs of arcing inside the head. good luck, one of those should fit the bill since the belt is new, wouldnt hurt to test the cam/ crank sensors if all else fails

SORRY if this one is stupid but is there enough gas in the tank? I've seen it way to many times to overlook it..

I shot some starting fluid in the intake, it's definitely not a fuel problem. I can smell gas while trying to start it. I pulled the plugs and they're kinda wet, so I've been cleaning them off after every other start attempt. I also double checked the tank and poured an extra gallon of gas on top of the 3-4 gallons that were already in there. I'm thinking crank or cam sensor. My cam sensor is definitely a little melted, but it's not big deal to tear it down again, I'm more worried about throwing parts at it and not being able to figure it out. Thanks for the advice B. How's Tank?

Mike

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hnic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,130 Car 1: 2004 Acura 3.5RL Car 2: 1998 Acura 3.5RL iTrader: (0)	im no motorhead but heres a wild guess....fuel pump....more specifically that solder joint that becomes ineffective __________________ Will all ugly people please be quiet!? LS430 is coming

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DJPolak Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sarasota FL Posts: 1,371 Car 1: 91 Sedan L / 94 LS Sedan/ 94 Milano Red Coupe iTrader: (1)	fuses , ECU __________________ http://home.comcast.net/~nosferatu2xlc/94LS.jpg Sarasota FL 91 Gold Sedan L sold 94 Green Sedan LS sold 94 Milano Red Coupe LS sold WTB G2 6spd LS coupe

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hnic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,130 Car 1: 2004 Acura 3.5RL Car 2: 1998 Acura 3.5RL iTrader: (0)	alternator possibly... __________________ Will all ugly people please be quiet!? LS430 is coming

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Rumnarv Domesticated Redneck Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 1,801 Car 1: 2004 TL 6-Speed iTrader: (0)	If its not getting spark, check the Ignition Control Module, if this checks out then check the crankshaft position sensor. I had problems with intermittant start on my 93 Legend and it turned out that the crank position sensor was the culpret. All of the plastic melted away from the coils and after 190000 miles it just gave up. It appears to be a common problem for it to melt. I hope this helps. __________________ No Mods

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05-15-04, 11:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rumnarv Domesticated Redneck Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 1,801 Car 1: 2004 TL 6-Speed iTrader: (0)	When I had the intermittant starting problem, mine didn't show any codes either. I tried everything. When I replaced my BHG, I noticed the melting. I took the sensor to Acura and they tested it somehow and said that it was shorting its self. That will suck if the CPS is the problem, you will have to take it all apart again. Good luck __________________ No Mods

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Jetdoc FIXER Join Date: May 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,687 Car 1: 1992 Legend L 265k Black(sold) 1994 Legend LS 175K Green 1967 NOVA SS Bolero Red iTrader: (1)	Mike, Make sure you have reconnected the ground wires. The two that I remember are the one at the thermostat housing and the one at the fuel rail. Other than that recheck all connectors, fuses and relay junctions. Good luck. __________________ People are often reluctant to pay for good advice but rarely follow free advice.

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alexc Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,074 Car 1: 94 LS Coupe iTrader: (0)	Is the bulb in the CEL burned out or removed? I need to get in touch with you about coming up for the bodywork, I tried the number you gave me last time but it was out of service or something like that. I need to know if it's ok for me to come up, and also the address of the shop so I can get directions. __________________ Looking to Buy: Legend-Specific Remus http://home.wideopenwest.com/~lcorte...signature5.jpg » Latest pictures of my Coupe -- Leon's G2 FAQ -- G2 Stereo FAQ -- Forum Rules «

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CU-Legend Want another Legend Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 759 Car 1: '04 RSX-S Car 2: Legend on its way iTrader: (0)	Maybe the main relay? __________________ In case you missed out on the group buy, I have a full set of pullies from the group buy for sale - $440 1991 Automatic Frost White coupe - Sold 1993 6-speed Granada Black Pearl Metallic coupe - Sold 2004 RSX-S Artic Blue Pearl - Traded 2007 Mazdaspeed6

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driveway no so newbe Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: tampa florida Posts: 126 Car 1: schwinn iTrader: (0)	mike spray a shot of ether into the air intake and give it a crank, if it starts you know you have a fuel problem, if it does'nt then I would start with the obvious like fuses and wire connections, check them for corrosion and a locking fit. how long did you crank on it? maybe pull a plug or two and make sure they are not drenched with fuel. if they are don't try and clean them go buy some new ones. check your plug boots for signs of arcing inside the head. good luck, one of those should fit the bill since the belt is new, wouldnt hurt to test the cam/ crank sensors if all else fails SORRY if this one is stupid but is there enough gas in the tank? I've seen it way to many times to overlook it.. __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...yperbanna2.gif

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