Intake Filter suggestions - Page 2

xpressive · 05-14-08, 04:03 AM

^^ so you're a fan of K&N?

I will recommend dry flow or stick with oem paper filter.

IAmLegend · 05-14-08, 04:06 AM

a fan of K&N... i suppose. i think they're products are the most marketed and advertised which means they're easiest to get. the prices on some of their stuff isnt great though. but yes, i do use their products and have never had problems with them

my point wasnt to bash sam o nela's opinion, that's fine if that's his opinion. i just dont get why the other guy would completely change his opinion just by reading something on an internet forum. i would rather do the research myself than believe everything i read.

xpressive · 05-14-08, 04:11 AM

I recommend the AEM dry flow over the K&N simply because of the oil on the K&N. It will stick on the inside of your intake manifold and you'll see it catch dust and dirt that passes through the filter.

IAmLegend · 05-14-08, 04:16 AM

ok so if i wash my K&N and dont re-oil it then what? is it as good as an AEM minus that one condition in your opinion?

FutureX 2001 · 05-14-08, 04:42 AM

I wouldn't go for the Weapon-R Filter by itself. Would be rather pointless. AEM or K&N seem okay to me.

The only reason I got a Weapon-R system (intake and filter) was for the CARB sticker

maracura91 · 05-14-08, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FutureX 2001

I wouldn't go for the Weapon-R Filter by itself. Would be rather pointless. AEM or K&N seem okay to me.

The only reason I got a Weapon-R system (intake and filter) was for the CARB sticker

the only weapon R filter thats CARB approved for the Legend is the one they call the Dragon, which uses a sponge type honey comb filter, the secret weapon is pending, go figure. its also more expensive the the CARB legal Dragon style filter.

DrDave · 05-14-08, 09:50 AM

IamLegend:

Where is the misinformation? Sam-o-nela gave some objective observations, that happen to be correct. Someone elso changed their mind from buying a product. No foul.

I don't follow your reasoning about "information over the internet." What if you were told someting over the phone? What about information from a guy on the other side of a counter and he was wearing a uniform with racing stickers on it?

There is some very good objective reasoning for what they are saying about the K&N filters, this includes xpressive's opinion as well. They really should not have to regurgitate all of the data points for their opinion unless asked. For those that say a product is superior or super-wonderful, prove it. If it does a magical job of filtering out cosmic dust then show up the oil analysis reports that prove it. I am always ready to learn something new. Ad-hype really does not do it for me. I went to college in the question authority days. That was not argue with authority but question it.

I don't have the time to reprint oil analysis reports and stories from the North every other month. The search button will open up a whole new world for you. Seems like the wheel get's reinvented every month, yet we end up with the same old wheel. It sure would be fun to move our collective knowledge forward.

I am eager to follow Tinton's work on fluid dynamics in the air intake system. His work is far beyond shiney chrome pieces and builds on ecperience from the 60's and 70's in air intake plumbing.

A search on Bobistheoilguy.com will show gobs of information on air filters.

Dave

pro_foundac91 · 05-14-08, 01:27 PM

K&N period.

*sam o nela* · 05-14-08, 01:29 PM

^ Yup....bobistheoilguy and their objective experiments (by neutral people with actual credentials and education) has really influenced me a lot and inspired me to do a lot of my own research and experimenting with different stuff....in fact thats the site that convinced me about the K&N....well that and a few websites that allowed reviews of products and had some horror stories of K&N and other oiled gauze filter failures....

I highly recommend the site those guys REALLY know what they are talking about....

DandDEE · 05-14-08, 02:13 PM

i only changed my mine cause duh its sam o nela and i would have changed it if it was Dv8, telion, what77inaname cause they've helped me out with more than a filter. so i would take his word over most others. knowlegable guys= good info+ expierence

ActionJackson · 05-14-08, 05:02 PM

I am neutral in this discussion but am trying to figure out the logic. If an AEM
filter and K&N filter filtered out the same EXACT amount of particles, would it not be better to have a minuscule layer of oil on the intake manifold to catch any particles that made it through the filter?

DrDave · 05-14-08, 05:13 PM

Your mass air flow sensor and any other sensor in the intake stream hate to have oil on them.

Dave

IAmLegend · 05-14-08, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam o nela

^ Yup....bobistheoilguy and their objective experiments (by neutral people with actual credentials and education) has really influenced me a lot and inspired me to do a lot of my own research and experimenting with different stuff....in fact thats the site that convinced me about the K&N....well that and a few websites that allowed reviews of products and had some horror stories of K&N and other oiled gauze filter failures....

I highly recommend the site those guys REALLY know what they are talking about....

i just went to that site and checked out his air filter analysis.... seems like he likes K&N for flow and for filtration says its about the same as paper. are we reading the same thing?

interesting about these "horror stories" of oil gauze. i've yet to read about any in the research i've been doing. K&N seems to think their filters won't let oil through their filters as they conducted a laboratory test on it but of course thats not a neutral source.

either way from what i've seen so far K&N is the best for flow. the filtration is what's in question, but i've yet to see anything that states the K&N filters worse than OEM paper. will keep looking....

IAmLegend · 05-14-08, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDave

Your mass air flow sensor and any other sensor in the intake stream hate to have oil on them.

Dave

Good thing Legend's dont have MAF's

K&N seems to think that 1) their oil wont get through the filter if properly oiled and 2) that it won't hurt MAF's. they have a whole section dedicated to it on their website.... again not a neutral source but interesting nontheless

n8s94ls · 05-14-08, 06:49 PM

ok.. so i want a secret weapon r. do you think it's better to get the secret weapon r intake and snap on a k&n or aem filter? it appears that no one likes the foam that they use. maracura91> are you selling those grilles in your pic?

05-14-08, 04:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
xpressive I want to ride low.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 852 Car 1: '94 Acura Legend LS Car 2: '91 Honda Accord LX iTrader: (0)	^^ so you're a fan of K&N? I will recommend dry flow or stick with oem paper filter. __________________ 1994 Acura Legend LS Coupe Sherwood Green. -Alpine 9883 -Alpine Type-R -Alpine PDX -17x8 Flik FTD -225/45/17 Nitto NeoGen Tires -Vogtland Springs. TSX Projector Retrofit w/ DDM 55W Kit *223K+ running strong*

05-14-08, 04:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
IAmLegend Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 631 Car 1: 93 LS Sedan Car 2: 90 Camry DX iTrader: (6)	a fan of K&N... i suppose. i think they're products are the most marketed and advertised which means they're easiest to get. the prices on some of their stuff isnt great though. but yes, i do use their products and have never had problems with them my point wasnt to bash sam o nela's opinion, that's fine if that's his opinion. i just dont get why the other guy would completely change his opinion just by reading something on an internet forum. i would rather do the research myself than believe everything i read. __________________ Roll that seven duece Cutlass, can't touch this Vogues smoke like dope when I say fuck this Roll my windows down, still smoke tinted Shot gun mag glocks all up in it I have an ECU, Sedan type F door panels, Gauge clusters, Digital climate control, Type 1 Intake manifold, Injectors, Coil packs, and a tail light for sale http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...iendly-127973/

05-14-08, 04:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
xpressive I want to ride low.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 852 Car 1: '94 Acura Legend LS Car 2: '91 Honda Accord LX iTrader: (0)	I recommend the AEM dry flow over the K&N simply because of the oil on the K&N. It will stick on the inside of your intake manifold and you'll see it catch dust and dirt that passes through the filter. __________________ 1994 Acura Legend LS Coupe Sherwood Green. -Alpine 9883 -Alpine Type-R -Alpine PDX -17x8 Flik FTD -225/45/17 Nitto NeoGen Tires -Vogtland Springs. TSX Projector Retrofit w/ DDM 55W Kit *223K+ running strong*

05-14-08, 04:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
IAmLegend Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 631 Car 1: 93 LS Sedan Car 2: 90 Camry DX iTrader: (6)	ok so if i wash my K&N and dont re-oil it then what? is it as good as an AEM minus that one condition in your opinion? __________________ Roll that seven duece Cutlass, can't touch this Vogues smoke like dope when I say fuck this Roll my windows down, still smoke tinted Shot gun mag glocks all up in it I have an ECU, Sedan type F door panels, Gauge clusters, Digital climate control, Type 1 Intake manifold, Injectors, Coil packs, and a tail light for sale http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...iendly-127973/

05-14-08, 04:42 AM	#20 (permalink)
FutureX 2001 L E G E N D Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montebello, CA Posts: 4,550 Car 1: '95 Coupe Car 2: '94 Sedan GS Car 3: '90 Coupe iTrader: (2)	I wouldn't go for the Weapon-R Filter by itself. Would be rather pointless. AEM or K&N seem okay to me. The only reason I got a Weapon-R system (intake and filter) was for the CARB sticker __________________

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05-14-08, 09:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
DrDave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 578 Car 1: 94 LS Coupe' Car 2: 91 NSX Car 3: various cars & bikes iTrader: (1)	IamLegend: Where is the misinformation? Sam-o-nela gave some objective observations, that happen to be correct. Someone elso changed their mind from buying a product. No foul. I don't follow your reasoning about "information over the internet." What if you were told someting over the phone? What about information from a guy on the other side of a counter and he was wearing a uniform with racing stickers on it? There is some very good objective reasoning for what they are saying about the K&N filters, this includes xpressive's opinion as well. They really should not have to regurgitate all of the data points for their opinion unless asked. For those that say a product is superior or super-wonderful, prove it. If it does a magical job of filtering out cosmic dust then show up the oil analysis reports that prove it. I am always ready to learn something new. Ad-hype really does not do it for me. I went to college in the question authority days. That was not argue with authority but question it. I don't have the time to reprint oil analysis reports and stories from the North every other month. The search button will open up a whole new world for you. Seems like the wheel get's reinvented every month, yet we end up with the same old wheel. It sure would be fun to move our collective knowledge forward. I am eager to follow Tinton's work on fluid dynamics in the air intake system. His work is far beyond shiney chrome pieces and builds on ecperience from the 60's and 70's in air intake plumbing. A search on Bobistheoilguy.com will show gobs of information on air filters. Dave

05-14-08, 01:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
pro_foundac91 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pa50, TX Posts: 2,300 Car 1: 91 GOLD GLOW PEARL LEGEND SEDAN L iTrader: (2)	K&N period. __________________

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sam o nela CAP CAP M* F*R! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,669 Car 1: '87L, 5 speed Sedan Car 2: '71 Datsun PL521 iTrader: (11)	^ Yup....bobistheoilguy and their objective experiments (by neutral people with actual credentials and education) has really influenced me a lot and inspired me to do a lot of my own research and experimenting with different stuff....in fact thats the site that convinced me about the K&N....well that and a few websites that allowed reviews of products and had some horror stories of K&N and other oiled gauze filter failures.... I highly recommend the site those guys REALLY know what they are talking about.... __________________ <Monocolor Paint Scheme> <JDM Clear Corners> <Cleared out Rear Turn Signals> <Acura Caliper Grill Emblem> <Independent Yellow Fog Mod> <15% Tint> <Iggee Seat Covers> <EL Reverse Glow Gauges> <Dimmer Mod> <Ford Taurus Cupholder Mod> <CC Tunk Light Mod> <Fut Short Throw Shifter> <Custom CAI> <AEM Bypass Valve> <OBX Headers> <Magnaflow High Flow Cat> <Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler> <Drilled/Slotted Rotors> <Painted Calipers> <Axxis Metal Master Pads>

05-14-08, 05:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
ActionJackson Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Port Richey,Florida Posts: 443 Car 1: 1979 MGB Car 2: 1991 Sedan LS Car 3: 1993 Coupe LS 6MT iTrader: (1)	I am neutral in this discussion but am trying to figure out the logic. If an AEM filter and K&N filter filtered out the same EXACT amount of particles, would it not be better to have a minuscule layer of oil on the intake manifold to catch any particles that made it through the filter? __________________ Bring your Legend to Florida for Vacation!!! We need the tourists. Come on down, the weathers great. No snow tires needed. Last edited by ActionJackson : 05-14-08 at 05:03 PM. Reason: forgot word

05-14-08, 05:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
DrDave Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 578 Car 1: 94 LS Coupe' Car 2: 91 NSX Car 3: various cars & bikes iTrader: (1)	Your mass air flow sensor and any other sensor in the intake stream hate to have oil on them. Dave

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n8s94ls Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: maryland Posts: 150 Car 1: 94 legend ls Car 2: 89 saab spg Car 3: 01 navigator iTrader: (0)	ok.. so i want a secret weapon r. do you think it's better to get the secret weapon r intake and snap on a k&n or aem filter? it appears that no one likes the foam that they use. maracura91> are you selling those grilles in your pic? __________________ Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and LEAVE A TRAIL! ralph waldo emerson

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