Bread

I would like to see if there is any interest in having a big brake kit using Bear components for the legend. It will likely be a 13" - 14" rotor that uses the stock caliper to keep the kit reasonable. The kit will include either a cast rotor or a 2-piece unit that is much lighter and more expensive. I could manufacture a 4-piston kit, but that will be even more expensive. I was just going to make one for myself, but if there is interest out there then I can produce a kit for retail sales. I have a 1992 LS Sedan, so the kit will fit all cars with my trim-level brakes. It will not fit the GS models that have larger discs since I do not have access to those parts for R and D as well as fabrication. You can vote for which types of kits you prefer, Stock caliper or 4-piston caliper. Keep in mind the price differences and only vote for the one that you would buy.

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either one man, i voted brembo, but i have been wanting a brake upgrade, let me know how much it will cost and ill get back to you. and did i see dynomat availble, hook me up please. email me or pm me please, im about to start system building and i need some cheap dynomat
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Legend95

I would be interested in a big disc only application like the aem oe kit. not down to shell out 2grand for a car that i may not keep much longer.

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E K

I vote for 13" factory caliper. 14" prob wont' fit under 17" rims.

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I voted for the Brembo as well, but after I started reading, I'm now wondering just how much more it would be for the calipers as well. If it's way expensive then I would want to go with the Big Discs.

Besides, the Type-II Legends come with pretty good dual piston calipers stock.

legend4life

can we get some price ranges please?

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Bread

Well, they will be less than existing kits on the market right now. You can go to AEM and Bear's website to see how they price full kits and partial kits to get an idea. I can't say for sure what it will cost, only that it will be less because I don't need to make much money on my kits. I already go to the University of Washington full-time and work for Cable Connection full-time, so my little business of Endless Motorsports is only a hobbie for now. I mostly work on cars of friends of friends, and people I meet. I just thought it would be cool to have a kit for our Legends because I love the car and nobody else makes a kit. And since my dad ownes a machine shop I can contract out the construction of these kits to him, and put them together for re-sale in my shop. So for now, I just need to see what people are interested in before I go ahead and buy the parts I need to start developing a kit for my car.

Oh, and EK, you are right about the disc size. I know from experience that I can't go much over 13" in order for the rotor to fit in a 17" wheel with the caliper mounted. And just so everybody is clear, you must have at least 17" rims for this kit to fit. Big brake kits do not work on factory rims because there is not enough clearance. Even some of the aftermarket 17" rims will not provide adequate clearance. I can provide picures of a Bear 13.5" kit w/ a 2-piston Bear caliper that I installed on a '94 Integra if anyone is interested in seeing how these things fit. I just need somebody to host them for me.

Once I decide on the best option I can start getting some preliminary pricing together. Since it's getting closer to summer now I can ride my Ducati while my Legend is torn apart So for now, just place your votes and voice your opinions and desires here on this thread. I want to put together a kit that people can afford.

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Dave C ver2.0

Might want to look at Wilwood calipers also. May be cheaper than Brembo or Baer and just as good.

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aiznpride

i agree. how were you planning on using stock calipers with bigger rotors? new brackets? it would be a better idea to change the calipers as well. using 2 piston calipers on big rotors might not be good. i would go at least 4 pistons.
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Hmmm, I like the idea of using a 13" caliper, cause I think that most of us probably have at least 17" rims. What is the stock size for the rotor? If it becomes an issue with not being able to use stock calipers with bigger rotors then do you think that we could get some that are slightly smaller (like 12.5" or 12").

NickD

Has anyone considered factory 6piston Porsche calipers and rotors? From what I understand these is not a difficult mod to do and I believe it will run $2500 for both front wheels. I know a guy who installs these brakes on BMW 540i's and it takes about 2 hours a wheel on those cars...

Bread

It's fine. The bigger rotor alone will greatly increase the stopping power. The Integra kit I did had the 2 piston because that's plenty big for street use. The 4 piston is overkill for a street vehicle and isn't worth the extra weight in most cases.

As for Wilwood. They are relatively new to the aftermarket street scene. They started out making parts for drag racers that are lightweight. Those parts will not last on the street. They do have a few street kits for the Camaro and such now, but they don't have a very big variety to choose from. I like Bear and AEM because their kits have been proven to be quality setups for street vehicles.

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aiznpride

i was considering doing that but i was quoted 3000 for the front. so i decided on just getting the rotors.
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siege

If you can make the kit I would buy one, but it has to fit a 17" rim.

Bread

These brakes are not compatible with the Legend. The difference is that there is a kit to install those brakes on the BMW. I'm also unsure of the thickness of the aftermarket rotors from certain cars. If we are going to use the stock caliper then we need to consider the fact that they are designed for a rotor of a ceratain thickness. If the rotor is too thick then the caliper will not fit over it. Those of you that have replaced your own brake pads know how difficult it is to pry them far enough apart to get the caliper to fit over the rotor. It's not too bad on mine because it's worn down to the 21mm minimum thickness already That's why I began to research the big brake kits.

The majority of the work in designing our kit is going to be in the brackets. When you increase the size of the rotor, you cause the caliper to extend beyond it's mounting points on the spindle. That's why we need a bracket. It's a simple concept, but difficult to produce.

My brackets are going to be fully CNC machined to exact tolerances (within a few thousands of an inch), and then mostl likely powdercoated or anodized depending on the material I choose. I will use high-grade materials to ensure strength. They basically need to be overbuilt to ensure safety. So I'm going to have to make up drawings of the prototype part so that I can make a CNC program to machine it out. Then I have to buy blank material and make a jig to fit in the machine. Once all that is done I will program the setup into the machine and dial in the perimiters. Only then can I start to mass-produce the parts. Once machined they will need to be de-burred and cleaned before shipping out to the powdercoating company. So as you can see there is a lot of work and time involved in making a simple bracket.

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