K&N Short Ram or Ingen Short Ram Intake?

emaculate91ls · 02-26-07, 01:11 PM

I am now looking to install an Intake on my 94 GS but cannot decide which one I would benefit most from.

I have the K&N short ram on my 91 LS but its being sold with the car. My personal experiences with it was that I thought it was a great setup but am curious to see if there is anything better out there. From what I understand I can use the ebay intake with the K&N cone filter but will have to cut the end of the pipe a few inches to compensate for the TCS.

My questions are...
-Is the Ingen any better than the K&N? Price wise its almost double than the K&N, so it better be good! lol

-Does ingen make a TCS specific intake or will I have to buy their non TCS intake and modify it? Could the modification be done? Its got a weird bend to it.

Here are the two I am considering...

K&N..http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...84133276QQrdZ1

Ingen.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INJEN...85355877QQrdZ1

If anyone can add there 2c that would be great! Also if anyone here knows where to get them cheaper than what I am currently considering, then please get at me.

Thanks

drewLegend · 02-26-07, 01:16 PM

No one's ever been able to covince me that it's the extra $100 for the Injen. All you're paying for is a weird looking intake that's name brand.

I personally just have an el-cheapo Ebay SRI. I bought a 3" 90degree bend off Ebay that I'm going to use to make it into a true CAI, I just haven't had the time.

If I was you, I'd buy the K&N intake, since you liked it before, and also buy a 90degree bend pipe to make it into a CAI. That's where you'll see the most gains.

emaculate91ls · 02-26-07, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewLegend

No one's ever been able to covince me that it's the extra $100 for the Injen. All you're paying for is a weird looking intake that's name brand.

I personally just have an el-cheapo Ebay SRI. I bought a 3" 90degree bend off Ebay that I'm going to use to make it into a true CAI, I just haven't had the time.

If I was you, I'd buy the K&N intake, since you liked it before, and also buy a 90degree bend pipe to make it into a CAI. That's where you'll see the most gains.

Yea, I kind of remeber something about the short ram Vs. the CAI on another thread way back when, but did not remeber anything about a comparison between the two and whether or not the NON TCS could be fabbed to fit the TCS.

I was thinking the same thing about just sticking with the K&N and turning it into a CAI. I'm sure with the wacky shaped Ingen intake the CAI conversion will not be possible.

I am correct about being able to buy the ebay intake and trimming it down a few inches from the straight end in order to fit the TCS, right?

drewLegend · 02-26-07, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaculate91ls

Yea, I kind of remeber something about the short ram Vs. the CAI on another thread way back when, but did not remeber anything about a comparison between the two and whether or not the NON TCS could be fabbed to fit the TCS.

I was thinking the same thing about just sticking with the K&N and turning it into a CAI. I'm sure with the wacky shaped Ingen intake the CAI conversion will not be possible.

I am correct about being able to buy the ebay intake and trimming it down a few inches from the straight end in order to fit the TCS, right?

Yeah, with the shape of the Injen, I don't think it's possible to get it to be a CAI. Even if you ran it as a short ram, I personally can't justify spending $180 on a piece of shiny aluminum that I can get for $20...

And yesssir, the intakes will fit just fine if you trim them down. I don't have TCS, but I've seen it done many times.

Good luck on whatever you decide to go with!

truonghthe · 02-26-07, 01:32 PM

get the short ramp with K&N.

emaculate91ls · 02-26-07, 01:39 PM

Thanks for helping me make up my mind fellas. I will be placing the order for the K&N within the next few days.

*Dv8* · 02-26-07, 01:41 PM

I like the fit finish and carb legality of my Injen. With a 45 degree coupler and the original ebay intake it can be converted to CAI.

~Dv8

antik · 02-26-07, 01:44 PM

People around here are whole heartedly against it but have you considered the WeaponR SW?

I'll say that the stupid thing whistles like mad on my car (and I was recently told by WeaponR that "it just does that" and they "can't figure it out") but I don't know if that's a universal experience and they claim gains beyond that of your average SRI.

Also, Thai.95LCoupe apparently has 1 CAI left (though, you'd have to buy the filter) - I've had my eye on it but my cash flow is shot so someone should pick it up!
Gen 2 Legend Coupe/Sedan SMG Dense Air Inhalation System TCS & Non-TCS Units Avalible

Personally, I woudln't spend the $$ on the injen SRI (though, I'd consider the old CAI if I could find one) - at least WeaponR claims to have done some research and you can see it (there's clearly a velocity stack inside the pipe - whether or not it makes a difference is open to discussion).

pro_foundac91 · 02-26-07, 03:56 PM

k&n is the best. my opinion.

antik · 02-26-07, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pro_foundac91

k&n is the best. my opinion.

For a filter, I'm inclined to agree - WeaponR's filters apparently flow better but I'm skeptical. I just trust K&N more.

For a pipe - it doesn't matter but WeaponR has the velocity stack which I'll at least give the benefit of the doubt over a conventional pipe.

I still want a real CAI though... I wish I'd bought one in the first place (especially since my WeaponR whistles - I haven't tried to clean the throttle body yet or anything though so it could just be realted to that...)

JZ_ · 02-26-07, 04:51 PM

That first link to ebay is a little too much. Yea youre getting a K&N filter but youre getting a generic pipe. You can save yourself a few bucks by buying those $9 ones that have $20 shipping. Then you have an alright air filter with the same pipe youre getting on that first link. Later just buy the K&N for like $30 or less on ebay too. Ive seen another injen intake for legends. It gets wavy when it nears where the intake box initialy was. I think that was the one made for the TCS models but I could be wrong. Do some research on those CAI kits though.....

GreekPower · 02-26-07, 04:54 PM

best intake for a legend

ebay intake with crappy filter= $30
real K&N filter= $60
3" 90degree bent pipe= $25
Knowing that your intake alone added 50WHP!= Priceless

(ok the last part was a joke but its the best intake for cheap)

pro_foundac91 · 02-26-07, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekPower

Knowing that your intake alone added 50WHP!= Priceless

(ok the last part was a joke but its the best intake for cheap)

a joke? no man its true! trust me! haha

joshudavid · 02-26-07, 06:09 PM

are any of these intakes worth it if you aren't matching them with an exhaust upgrade?

antik · 02-26-07, 06:10 PM

sure

they still add some pick up and of course, the sound (if you're into that sort of thing)

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emaculate91ls Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 2,071 Car 1: SOLD:91' Acura Legend Sedan LS Car 2: 94' Acura Lgend GS iTrader: (48)	K&N Short Ram or Ingen Short Ram Intake? I am now looking to install an Intake on my 94 GS but cannot decide which one I would benefit most from. I have the K&N short ram on my 91 LS but its being sold with the car. My personal experiences with it was that I thought it was a great setup but am curious to see if there is anything better out there. From what I understand I can use the ebay intake with the K&N cone filter but will have to cut the end of the pipe a few inches to compensate for the TCS. My questions are... -Is the Ingen any better than the K&N? Price wise its almost double than the K&N, so it better be good! lol -Does ingen make a TCS specific intake or will I have to buy their non TCS intake and modify it? Could the modification be done? Its got a weird bend to it. Here are the two I am considering... K&N..http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...84133276QQrdZ1 Ingen.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INJEN...85355877QQrdZ1 If anyone can add there 2c that would be great! Also if anyone here knows where to get them cheaper than what I am currently considering, then please get at me. Thanks __________________ SIG BY ALPEROVICH MODS---ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!! Check out my gallery! http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...ebirth-126357/ The project... http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...thread-120596/ Ksport Kontrol Group Buy!! $760 Shipped http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...ed-123764-new/

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antik Obsessive Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 3,524 Car 1: 98.5 BMW M3 Coupe 5MT Car 2: 95 L Sedan Car 3: 95 6MT Coupe (Dad's) iTrader: (5)	People around here are whole heartedly against it but have you considered the WeaponR SW? I'll say that the stupid thing whistles like mad on my car (and I was recently told by WeaponR that "it just does that" and they "can't figure it out") but I don't know if that's a universal experience and they claim gains beyond that of your average SRI. Also, Thai.95LCoupe apparently has 1 CAI left (though, you'd have to buy the filter) - I've had my eye on it but my cash flow is shot so someone should pick it up! Gen 2 Legend Coupe/Sedan SMG Dense Air Inhalation System TCS & Non-TCS Units Avalible Personally, I woudln't spend the $$ on the injen SRI (though, I'd consider the old CAI if I could find one) - at least WeaponR claims to have done some research and you can see it (there's clearly a velocity stack inside the pipe - whether or not it makes a difference is open to discussion). __________________ Canterbury Green '95 Auto L Sedan ADDCO \| MLS \| KNUKONCEPTZ \| ALPINE \| ECLIPSE \| JL AUDIO \| BOSTON ACOUSTICS might be selling: pm me if you're interested in a well cared for, well running, high mileage sedan

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drewLegend Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,282 Car 1: LegendBashing///Mobile iTrader: (14)	No one's ever been able to covince me that it's the extra $100 for the Injen. All you're paying for is a weird looking intake that's name brand. I personally just have an el-cheapo Ebay SRI. I bought a 3" 90degree bend off Ebay that I'm going to use to make it into a true CAI, I just haven't had the time. If I was you, I'd buy the K&N intake, since you liked it before, and also buy a 90degree bend pipe to make it into a CAI. That's where you'll see the most gains.

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pro_foundac91 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pa50, TX Posts: 2,275 Car 1: 91 GOLD GLOW PEARL LEGEND SEDAN L iTrader: (2)	k&n is the best. my opinion. __________________

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JZ_ B anned (SIKE!!!) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,117 Car 1: 03 G35 Coupe Car 2: 98 Accord EX Car 3: 95 Legend SE iTrader: (5)	That first link to ebay is a little too much. Yea youre getting a K&N filter but youre getting a generic pipe. You can save yourself a few bucks by buying those $9 ones that have $20 shipping. Then you have an alright air filter with the same pipe youre getting on that first link. Later just buy the K&N for like $30 or less on ebay too. Ive seen another injen intake for legends. It gets wavy when it nears where the intake box initialy was. I think that was the one made for the TCS models but I could be wrong. Do some research on those CAI kits though..... __________________ Check out my new wheels..... http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulleti...9/#post1243334

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GreekPower Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh,PA Posts: 10,458 Car 1: 1992 Acura L"S" Sedan Car 2: 1991 3/S Turbo's 2x Car 3: 2005 Grand Prix iTrader: (13)	best intake for a legend ebay intake with crappy filter= $30 real K&N filter= $60 3" 90degree bent pipe= $25 Knowing that your intake alone added 50WHP!= Priceless (ok the last part was a joke but its the best intake for cheap)

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joshudavid Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 78 Car 1: 94 Legend LS iTrader: (0)	are any of these intakes worth it if you aren't matching them with an exhaust upgrade?

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