My shifter does not easily find the gear I want. What can I do to make it shift....

Geoffois · 08-28-02, 04:18 AM

better.

When I downshift and upshift I do not easily find the gear. It gives me a hard time sometimes. So when I race I lose important time.

bigdad · 08-28-02, 11:00 AM

with the engine off and parked, is it easy to get in the correct gears? Is it only hard when engine is running?
If hard when engine is either off or when running (good news), you may just have problem with external bushings and linkage....If hard only when running, then more expensive...
1) Check clutch fluid level in reservoir...you may not be properly disengaging the clutch if low on fluid or air in system
2) Check master cyl and slave cyl for leakage...pull boot back on slave to check or you may not see it.
3) Worn synchros.....based on your description of "racing" you probably have put them in the trash....can you shift easier if you rpm match the tranny by blipping the engine when you shift? If so, be prepared for a tranny rebuild for synchros.

Geoffois · 08-29-02, 02:55 AM

I have notice some fluid on the inside part of the master cylinder. I didn't see much so I figured it has not been affected much. Perhaps, the master cylinder is going out and it is not disengaging the clutch enough. I wonder how much for a rebuilt master cylinder.

bigdad · 08-29-02, 08:43 AM

any leakage needs to be fixed...replace the master clutch cyl. and bleed out the system (bleeder in on slave cyl on tranny). evidence of fluid tells me you are not completely disengaging the clutch and there is air in the system likely too. This should fix it and is not too expensive....I do not like rebuilt hydraulic systems like brake cylinders...these systems are dimensionally critical and even slight flaws can cause failures.....not worth it.

Mckenzie93 · 08-29-02, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Geoffois
better.

When I downshift and upshift I do not easily find the gear. It gives me a hard time sometimes. So when I race I lose important time.

I have the same problem with my six speed. I find a smoother shift at higher rpms than lowers ones..... It feels really notchy at times and other times it is smooth as glass.

So bigdad... hwat eventually happens then. Will they just wear down to the point where you cannot shift or will it be able to live with... Thanx...

bigdad · 08-29-02, 02:06 PM

you can live with worn synchros, you can even shift smoothly without using the clutch if you can match rpms using the throttle. It is just easier for us mere mortals to let the synchros do the shaft speed matching rather than trying to it by delicate throttle work (like racers do). In the old days (and I do mean old...I can remember the 50's!) people used to double clutch to match the gear speeds at shifting...synchronizers were only for high end cars/trucks....You might want to have the shifter linkage bushings lubed or replaced...that can cause high effort in the shifter column and give the feel of notchiness....replaced my daughters Integra shift bushings at 100k miles.....it had felt like rowing a boat, really stiff. Afterwards, 1 finger was all it needed...remarkable diff...the heat in the area ruins them after a while....

Mckenzie93 · 08-29-02, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by bigdad
you can live with worn synchros, you can even shift smoothly without using the clutch if you can match rpms using the throttle. It is just easier for us mere mortals to let the synchros do the shaft speed matching rather than trying to it by delicate throttle work (like racers do). In the old days (and I do mean old...I can remember the 50's!) people used to double clutch to match the gear speeds at shifting...synchronizers were only for high end cars/trucks....You might want to have the shifter linkage bushings lubed or replaced...that can cause high effort in the shifter column and give the feel of notchiness....replaced my daughters Integra shift bushings at 100k miles.....it had felt like rowing a boat, really stiff. Afterwards, 1 finger was all it needed...remarkable diff...the heat in the area ruins them after a while....

Thanx bigdad.... you sure know your stuff...

Can you tell me more on lubing the shifter linkage bushings?? Is it a diy? Dealer only??? I am not to familiar with tha manual trannies....

Geoffois · 08-29-02, 11:33 PM

Hey thanx, I will change the master cylinder with a new one and bleed the system and oil the bushings. Can I oil the bushing from under the tranny?

bigdad · 08-30-02, 12:43 AM

the various O rings and bushings can be reached at the bottom of the shifter lever....in/under center console....I haven't ever done this in a Legend but that is where you will find the washers, o-rings, bushings, ball seat for the lever, etc...use silicone grease to lube, not oil....go to Acura parts dept and get the drawing for the mechanism and overhaul kit....

08-28-02, 04:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
Geoffois Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Diamond Bar Posts: 31 iTrader: (0)	My shifter does not easily find the gear I want. What can I do to make it shift.... better. When I downshift and upshift I do not easily find the gear. It gives me a hard time sometimes. So when I race I lose important time.

08-29-02, 02:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Geoffois Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Diamond Bar Posts: 31 iTrader: (0)	Sounds like you know quite a bit. I have notice some fluid on the inside part of the master cylinder. I didn't see much so I figured it has not been affected much. Perhaps, the master cylinder is going out and it is not disengaging the clutch enough. I wonder how much for a rebuilt master cylinder.

08-29-02, 11:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Geoffois Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Diamond Bar Posts: 31 iTrader: (0)	Bigdad Hey thanx, I will change the master cylinder with a new one and bleed the system and oil the bushings. Can I oil the bushing from under the tranny?

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08-28-02, 11:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
bigdad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,450 iTrader: (0)	with the engine off and parked, is it easy to get in the correct gears? Is it only hard when engine is running? If hard when engine is either off or when running (good news), you may just have problem with external bushings and linkage....If hard only when running, then more expensive... 1) Check clutch fluid level in reservoir...you may not be properly disengaging the clutch if low on fluid or air in system 2) Check master cyl and slave cyl for leakage...pull boot back on slave to check or you may not see it. 3) Worn synchros.....based on your description of "racing" you probably have put them in the trash....can you shift easier if you rpm match the tranny by blipping the engine when you shift? If so, be prepared for a tranny rebuild for synchros.

08-29-02, 08:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigdad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,450 iTrader: (0)	any leakage needs to be fixed...replace the master clutch cyl. and bleed out the system (bleeder in on slave cyl on tranny). evidence of fluid tells me you are not completely disengaging the clutch and there is air in the system likely too. This should fix it and is not too expensive....I do not like rebuilt hydraulic systems like brake cylinders...these systems are dimensionally critical and even slight flaws can cause failures.....not worth it.

08-29-02, 02:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
bigdad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,450 iTrader: (0)	you can live with worn synchros, you can even shift smoothly without using the clutch if you can match rpms using the throttle. It is just easier for us mere mortals to let the synchros do the shaft speed matching rather than trying to it by delicate throttle work (like racers do). In the old days (and I do mean old...I can remember the 50's!) people used to double clutch to match the gear speeds at shifting...synchronizers were only for high end cars/trucks....You might want to have the shifter linkage bushings lubed or replaced...that can cause high effort in the shifter column and give the feel of notchiness....replaced my daughters Integra shift bushings at 100k miles.....it had felt like rowing a boat, really stiff. Afterwards, 1 finger was all it needed...remarkable diff...the heat in the area ruins them after a while....

08-30-02, 12:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
bigdad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,450 iTrader: (0)	the various O rings and bushings can be reached at the bottom of the shifter lever....in/under center console....I haven't ever done this in a Legend but that is where you will find the washers, o-rings, bushings, ball seat for the lever, etc...use silicone grease to lube, not oil....go to Acura parts dept and get the drawing for the mechanism and overhaul kit....

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