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Newbie FAQ

Heres an FAQ i made for all the newbies who dont feel like searching for everything.
I decided to post it here because this is where most of the questions get asked.
If there are any discrepancies, mods, feel free to edit anything or add anything you think would help the newbies out:

DO NOT POST YOUR QUESTIONS/PROBLEMS IN THIS THREAD


Newbie FAQ
*Online G2 Service Manual* (Instructions, if needed)

-Download for link above (58mb .pdf)- {Mirror Link} (user/pass - "legend")

1st Generation: 86-90 Sedans/Coupes
2nd Generation: 91-95 Sedans/Coupes (96 JDM Coupe)
3rd Generation: 96-04 Sedans only (Acura RL)
4th Generation: 05-?? Sedans only (Acura RL)


USDM: United States Domestic Market
JDM: Japanese Domestic Market
EDM: European Domestic Market

OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer (basically used to refer to factory parts)
AEM: Aftermarket Equipment Manufacturer (literally). They make aftermarket stuff. Nothing specifically for the Legend though.

FWD Front Wheel Drive
RWD Rear Wheel Drive
AWD All Wheel Drive

Chassis Codes
KA2 - Refers to 86-87 Sedan
KA3 - Refers to 87-90 Coupe
KA4 - Refers to 88-90 Sedan
KA7 – Refers to 91-95 Sedan
KA8 – Refers to 91-95 Coupe
KA9 - Refers to 96-04 RL
KB1 - Refers to 05-?? RL

Engine
(Engine block code – C32A)
USDM Type I – 200 HP @ 5,500rpm | 210 lb/ft TQ@ 5,000rpm
91-95 Sedans (L/LS/SE trims only)
91-92 Coupes
USDM Type II – 230 HP @ 6,200rpm | 206 lb/ft TQ @ 5,000rpm
(can be easily recognized by "TYPE II" badge on intake manifold)

94-95 Sedans (GS trim only)
93-95 Coupes
JDM (Japan Type I) – 215 HP @ 5,500rpm | 220lb/ft TQ @ 4,500rpm
(rated at these numbers because of Japan’s different emission systems.)
JDM (Japan Type II “Alpha Touring”) – 232 HP @ 6,300rpm | 213 lb/ft TQ @ 5,200rpm [See Thread]
(extremely RARE in US)

Misc. Engine Info


USDM Type I, Type II, and JDM fit into engine bay perfectly with no custom engine mounts.
NSX engine (C32B) will NOT fit into engine bay, as it is wider than USDM Type I/II.
NSX heads will NOT be a direct fit onto USDM Type I/II blocks. [See Thread]

USEFUL Spark Plug Info

Maintenance Info
Every 250 miles or weekly

Check engine oil
Check engine coolant level
Check windshield washer fluid
Check brake fluid level
Check tires and tire pressures

Every 3,000 miles or 3 months

Above listed items plus:

Check power steering fluid level
Check automatic and transmission/transaxle fluid level
Change engine oil and filter

Every 7,500 miles or 6 months

All items listed above and:

Inspect/replace wiper blades
Check/Service Battery
Check/Adjust (if necessary) engine drivebelts
Inspect/Replace (if necessary) all underhood hoses
Check cooling system
Rotate Tires
Check front disc brake pads

Every 15,000 miles or 12 months

All items listed above and:

Inspect the brake system
Check clutch pedal height and freeplay
Inspect the seatbelts
Replace the a/c air filter
Adjust valve clearances
Replace the air filter
Inspect the fuel system
Check m/t lubricant
Check differential lubricant level
Inspect suspension and steering components and driveaxle boots
Inspect exhaust system

Every 30,000 miles or 24 months

All above listed items plus:

Replace the spark plugs (conventional, non-platinum)
Check and replace, if necessary, the PCV Valve
Replace the fuel filter
Service the cooling system (drain, flush, fill)
Replace the brake fluid
Change automatic transmission/transaxle fluid
Change manual transmission/transaxle lubricant
Change differential lubricant
Check EGR system ( Exhaust Gas Recirculation)
Check and adjust engine idle speed
Check and adjust engine ignition timing

Replace ABS high pressure hose
Reset Maintenance Required Indicator

Every 60,000 miles or 24 months

All items listed above plus

Replace the spark plugs (PLATINUM TIPPED SPARK PLUGS)

Every 90,000 miles or 72 months

Replace timing belt
Replace water pump

Transmisssion
Automatic – Available on all 91-95 Sedans and Coupes
5 Speed Manual – Available on all 91-95 (Base, L, LS) Sedans and 91-92 Coupes (L, LS)
6 Speed Manual – Only available on 94-95 Sedans (GS trim) and 93-95 Coupes (L, LS)

Shifting with Automatic Transmission from G2 Owner's Manual

(D4) - For normal Driving Conditions

(D3) - This position is similar to D4, except only the first 3 gears are selected. Use D3 when towing a trailer in hilly terrain, or to provide engine braking when going down a steep high. D3 can also keep the transimission from cycling between 3rd and 4th gears in stop and go driving.

(2) - This position locks the transmission in second gear. It does not downshift to first gear when you come to a stop. Second gives you more power when climbing, and increased engine braking when going down steep hill. Use 2nd gear when starting out on a slippery surface or deep snow. It will reduce wheel spin.

(1) - This position locks the transmission in 1st gear.

Other notes:
- For faster acceleration in both D3 and D4, you can get the transimission to downshift by pushing the accelerator to the floor. The transimission will shift down one or two gears depending on your speed.

- When you move the shift lever to a lower gear, the transmission downshifts only if the engine's redline will not be exceeded in the lower gear.

- By upshifting and downshifting through 1, 2, D3, D4, you can operate this transmission much like a manual transmission without a clutch pedal.


Brakes (stock)
Type I – Dual-diagonal, power-assisted, 4 wheel disc brakes.
Front – 11.0” diameter
Rear – 11.0” diameter
ABS System – 4 wheel speed sensors and electronic/hydraulic control unit
Type II – Same as above, rotors 5mm thicker for better braking, dual piston front calipers.

Trim Levels
*In order from lowest to top of the line*
Sedan Trim Levels
Base | L | SE | LS | GS

Base Model:

In 1991-1993 the Base model Acura Legend Sedan, as base level was only available on the sedan, was a bare minimum Acura Legend. In a sense, the Base model was the stripped down racer (joke)

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, Cloth seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbs/ft) V6, 5 speed Manual Transmission, 4 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, Unpainted body protecting trim panels. Blue tinted windows

Options Features:

• Automatic Transmission
• Leather Seating
• Moon roof
• 6 disk CD changer
• “LEGEND” floor mats
• Trunk net
• Body colored door handles and mirrors
• Fog Lights
• Passenger Side Supplemental Restraint System (airbag)
• Separated Rear headrests

L Model:

In 1991-1993 the L model was the second step up in the Legend line up of luxury. In 1994 the Base model was dropped and the L became the new Base Model. In 1991-1993 the option list was smaller than in 1994.

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, Cloth seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbsft) V6, 5 speed Manual Transmission, 4 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, Unpainted body protecting trim panels, Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles, bronze tinted windows

Optional Features:
• Automatic Transmission
• Leather seating
• 6 disk CD changer
• Trunk Net
• Body colored trim molding
• Deck lid Spoiler
• Fog Lights
• Power Passenger side 4 way seating
• Heated mirrors
• Heated seats
• Passenger side Supplemental Restraint System (air bag)
• Acura Cell Phone

In 1993 the airbag became standard across the board.

Also in 1993 the list shortened. Body colored trim panels and were removed as those were standard. But an option for premium sound was offered in the L model in 1994. This was not like the Bose Ext. Amp setup in the LS though. Also in 1994 the Speaker system went from 4 to 6 drivers.

SE model:

In the final years of production the Legend started showing its age in the segment. Competition started catching up to the Ahead-of-its-time Legend. In 1995 in a last-ditch attempt to rid of the rest of the KA7 chassis, Acura devised a final year “Special Edition”, hence the name SE. Not Sport, or Sacred, but Special Edition. This model was to the most out of the sell out of the chassis that Acura could before they brought out the RL. As a result it was only produced for the Final production year 1995.

The SE in itself is not much more than an L Model, but there were some things added that made it more than an L but not as much as an LS. And not many options available.

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, Leather seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbsft) V6, 4 speed Automatic Transmission, 6 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, Painted body protecting trim panels, Special Edition Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles, bronze tinted windows. Faux Wood Trim, Two Tone Paint job

Optional Features:
• Acura Cell Phone
• Trunk Net
• Differing Color options for the SE used colors from the Legend’s Palette already.
• Top Color First:
o Pearl White/Desert Mist
o Geneva Green/Canterbury Green
o Granada Black/Seattle Silver



LS Model:

The LS model was the top of the line 1991-1993. The LS model came loaded down and had a short option list. It is probably the most luxurious of all Legend levels. In 1994 some changes were made.

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, LEATHER seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbsft) V6, 5 speed Manual Transmission, 4 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, body colored body protecting trim panels, Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles. Bronze tinted windows, Light and Temperature Sensitive Automatic Climate Control, Heated seats, heated mirrors, Height adjustable seatbelts, Passenger Side Supplemental Restraint System (Airbag)

Optional Features:

• Trunk Net
• Acura Cell Phone
• 6 Disc CD changer

In 1994 the LS lost the 5 speed manual transmission availability



GS Model:

In 1994, the LS was displaced, by name, as the Top of the line model. The GS for all intents and purposes was an LS model with a different drive train, braking system, and suspension. It was truly the Driver’s Car, of the Legend family and Today still is one of the most sought after models on the planet and was the Swan Song of the Acura Legend. Also it was the first Acura Sedan and one of the first road cars to ever house a 6 speed manual transmission.


Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, LEATHER seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 230 hp (206 lbsft) V6, 6 speed Manual Transmission, 6 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, body colored body protecting trim panels, Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles. Bronze tinted windows, Light and Temperature Sensitive Automatic Climate Control, Heated seats, heated mirrors, Height adjustable seatbelts

Optional Features:

• Trunk Net
• Acura Cell Phone
• 6 Disc CD changer


Optional Colors through the years

1991:
• Cobalt Blue Metallic
• Golden Glow Pearl
• Twilight Blue Pearl
• Seattle Silver metallic
1992
• Seattle Silver
• Cobalt Blue
1993
• Canterbury Green Metallic
• Cashmere Silver Metallic
1994
• Garnet Red Pearl Metallic (only available on L)
• Desert Mist Metallic
1995
• Desert Mist Metallic

Coupe Trim Levels
L | LS

When the 2nd Generation Acura Legend was introduced the sedan came out immediately the coupe followed suit in mid-model year. When it was introduced however it was only introduced with 2 trim levels, L and LS. From the beginning the coupe was only supposed to be similar to the sedan in presence, hence the almost zero compatibility in exterior and interior panels. The coupe was a totally different car than the sedan; the only thing shared was the engine and chassis, to generalize it.

L Model Coupe:

In 1991 and 1992, the lowest level of the Coupe was L. Similar to the sedan, the L offered a good bit of options on this level. But it was pretty much loaded to the hilt from the start.

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, fabric seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbsft) V6, 5 speed Manual Transmission, 4 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, Unpainted body protecting trim panels, Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles, bronze tinted windows, Automated Seatbelt movers, Automated door closers, Retractable Rear Side windows

Optional Features:

• Automatic Transmission
• 6 Disc CD changer
• Deck Lid spoiler
• Faux Wood trim
• Fog Lights
• Leather Seats
• Heated Seats
• Heated Mirrors
• Mud flaps


LS Model Coupe:

In 1991 and 1992 the LS model Coupe was the top line Acura Legend Coupe offered. Just like the Sedan LS, the Coupe LS offered all the luxurious trappings that you would expect from a high line sports-luxury car. Even more luxury than the L coupe offered.

Standard Features:
Driver Side power seating, Leather seat coverings, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, 3.2litre Single Over Head Cam 200 hp (210 lbsft) V6, 5 speed Manual Transmission, 4 speaker audio system with AM/FM Cassette player with automated Power antenna, Painted body protecting trim panels, Floor mats, Moon roof, Body colored mirrors and door handles, bronze tinted windows, Automated Seatbelt movers, Automated door closers, Retractable Rear Side windows, Real Burl Walnut wood trimming, Light and Temperature sensitive Automatic Climate control


Optional Features:
• Automatic Transmission
• 6 Disc CD changer
• Deck Lid spoiler
• Fog Lights
• Mud flaps

1993 was the “Try it out” year for the Legend. In the sedan they tried new colors, revised audio, updated gauge clusters, and a few other things. In the coupe, they tried out the Type II engine and 6 speed Manual Transmission. In 1993, the Type II was introduced in the LS and L Coupe. Making it the first Acura to have a 6speed manual transmission

Also, in 1994 the lower rocker panels were painted on the LS to distinguish it from the L model Coupe.

Optional Colors through the years

1991:
• Cobalt Blue Metallic
• Seattle Silver metallic
• Persian Red
1992
• Seattle Silver
• Cobalt Blue
1993
• Canterbury Green Metallic
• Cashmere Silver Metallic
1994
• Milano Red
• Desert Mist
1995
• Desert Mist Metallic


Wheels
All Factory wheels are 6.5” wide, +65 offset
91-92 Sedan (L, LS) - 15", 20 spokes

93-95 Sedan (L, LS) - 15", 16 spokes

91-95 coupe (L), 91-92 coupe (LS), 95 sedan (SE) - 15", 7 spokes


93-94 coupe (LS), 94-95 Sedan (GS) - 16", 5 spokes

Premium upgrade wheels - 15", 5 spokes, availible in gold and silver finish (gold shown)


Offset
The offset of a wheel is the distance from its hub mounting surface to the centerline of the wheel. The offset can be one of three types.
Zero Offset
The hub mounting surface is even with the centerline of the wheel.
Positive
The hub mounting surface is toward the front or wheel side of the wheel. Positive offset wheels are generally found on front wheel drive cars and newer rear drive cars.
Negative
The hub mounting surface is toward the back or brake side of the wheels centerline. "Deep dish" wheels are typically a negative offset.

If the offset of the wheel is not correct for the car, the handling can be adversely affected. When the width of the wheel changes, the offset also changes numerically. If the offset were to stay the same while you added width, the additional width would be split evenly between the inside and outside.

Bolt Pattern

The bolt pattern for the Legend is 5 x 114.3

Acura TL, CL Wheel Info
TL/CL rims will NOT directly fit onto the Legend without boring the centers first.
They must be bored to 70.2mm in order to fit properly.

Misc Legend Info
Gas Tank holds approx. 18 gallons

for all years, theres 2 pegs behind the "A" emblem.
-for 91-92s, there are pegs only behind the "Legend" emblem.
-for 93s, the "Acura" and "Legend" emblems are held with adhesive.
-for 94-95s, the "Acura" and "L E G E N D" are also held with adhesive.

USEFUL Legend Sites
LegendTuner.com
2nd Gen FAQ By Leon Millette
Useful Topics and DIY
Acura-Legend.com SEARCH Function

Special Thanks to KennyG(Legend Temple), Bang&Olufsen DK, MikeD, Leon Millette, tnelson, arnach, smartjay28, AlexC, WhiteLegend, sleeprlegendcp, LegendGS, 94G2Coupe, telafonic, and Dethred for this info/help.

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Newbie FAQ Addition #1
(posts 2-11 were deleted to eliminate clutter between main post and this addition, but credit was given to anyone who gave suggestions in those posts)

BHG (Blown Headgasket)
This is one of the most common problems that occur in the 2nd Gen Legends...
Overheating 101
long story short, if you see white smoke coming from the exhaust when you idle or accelerate, its probably a BHG

To fix a BHG is costly as hell , is hard as hell to do yourself , and practically impossible to do without the right parts so many members here would just suggest that you replace it with a completely different engine (preferably a JDM because of low mileage ) or you could spend up to $1500 to take it somewhere to get it fixed, and probably have the gasket blow again on you in 50,000 miles

How do you prevent this from happening to your Legend you ask? Just make sure you do all the scheduled maintenence and take care of your cooling system, DON'T let your engine overheat!

VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor)
If your speedometer is going completely nuts (showing completely wrong readings or reading 0 MPH)
and your D4 indicator light in the dash cluster is on, chances are, you have a BAD VSS...

the new part will run you between $150-300 depending on where you go (buying new from Acura "stealership" will definately be around $300)

Clockspring (aka cable-reel assembly)
No, this isnt the spring that holds the lil door next to the clock in the console lol
This is what enables the buttons on the steering wheel to work while turned.
If your horns, cruise control, or volume buttons aren't working, its probably a BAD Clockspring...

this part will run you about $270 NEW
DONT buy this part used...most members here who have changed their clocksprings suggest that if yours breaks, don't cheap out and buy a used part because more than likely it will break AGAIN, and in the long run you'll just screw yourself over having to replace the part over and over again

RWD Acura Legend????
*sigh*....before it's asked again, YES it can be done...but it'll cost upwards of $15,000 to complete it...it's really not even worth it unless you just have money burning a hole in your pocket.
(For more information, just search for "RWD Legend"...there's countless threads with the explaination of what must be done and how much it will cost)

Stock Alarm System Problems
If your stock alarm system goes off repeatedly while the doors are unlocked, your door lock actuator has gone bad. To temporarily disable the alarm you can do it with a paperclip. Pop the hood and feel behind the latch for the wire. Disconnect it and stick a paperclip bent in a U into the female end that goes under the radiator. Tape it all up with electrical tape and you are done. Your alarm will now think your hood is always open and never arm.

Audio

2nd Gen Stereo FAQ

Stereo Systems
1991-1993 Base ---- Honda
1991-1995 L ------- Standard Bose
1991-1992 LS ------ Bose
1993-1995 LS ------ Bose Premium
1994-1995 GS ------ Bose Premium
1995 SE ------------ Bose Premium

CD Changer
The Alpine CHA-S634 is an aftermarket 6 disc CD/MP3 changer that WILL fit into the trunk sleeve and run from the stock headunit, although the following conversion cables will need to be purchased:
Ai-Net to MBus Adapter
Honda / Acura to Alpine Adapter
{See Thread}

Vehicle Identification (VIN)

The following is a breakdown of what your 17-digit Acura Legend Vehicle Idenfication Number (VIN) denotes:

Digit 1-3 - Manufacturer
JH4 = Honda Motor Co. LTD

Digit 4-6 - Body Type
KA2 = 86-87 4 Door Sedan
KA3 = 87-90 2 Door Coupe
KA4 = 88-90 4 Door Sedan
KA7 = 91-95 4 Door Sedan
KA8 = 91-95 2 Door Coupe

Digit 7 - Body Style/Transmission Type
1 = Coupe, manual
2 = Coupe, automatic
5 = Sedan, manual
6 = Sedan, automatic


Digit 8 - Option/Trim Package
3 = 86-90 Standard (No Sunroof)
4 = 86-90 Standard (Sunroof)
5 = 86-90 Leather Interior
6 = 86-95 L Trim
7 = 86-95 LS Trim
8 = 93-95 GS Trim
9 = 93-95 SE Trim

Digit 9
Check digit

Digit 10 - Production Year
G = 1986
H = 1987
J = 1988
K = 1989
L = 1990
M = 1991
N = 1992
P = 1993
R = 1994
S = 1995

Digit 11 - Assembly Plant Location
C = Saitama, Japan

Digit 12-17
Individual vehicle serial number

For example:
JH4KA8175RC000001 is a 1994 Legend LS Coupe - Manual Transmission
JH4KA7265PC000002 is a 1993 Legend L Sedan - Automatic Transmission

-ECU Codes-

Getting that little Check Engine lights on your dash may seem a little discomforting. In reality it is really a miracle of engineering and computer technology. Instead of randomly pocking in vast amounts of wires, sensors, and mechanisms in such complex car as a Legend, this little light tells you that your computer knows exactly what is wrong with the car (most of the time).

That means the exact sensor or gate has been pin-pointed as being either partially disconnected or simply out of acceptable range.

Location of ECU on 1986-1990 Legends

The control unit is located under the passenger seat on sedans and under the passenger foot well carpet on the coupes.
The engine CPU is the form of an aluminum box with a little plexiglass window. All you have to observe is a little red LED.

Location of ECU on 1991-1995 Legends

On the 1991-1995 Acura/Honda Legends, you have to jump a service connector located on the passenger side right under the dashboard near the door. The connector has two pin inputs. Connecting them with something like a paper clip will force the check engine light on the dashboard to display the codes.

Extracting Codes

With the car either running or the key in the ON position, perform the necessary steps above and observe the blinking of the light. The light will blink displaying all the codes in sequence and then repeating them.

Reading Codes

The code numbers are read by counting the number of blinks between longer pauses. On 1986-1990 Legends, the code number is indicacted by a series of rapid LED blinks between longer pauses.

On 1991-1995 cars, codes 1-9 are indicated by a series of short flashes; two digit codes use a number of long flashes for the first digit followed by the number of short flashes for the second digit. So a code 43 will be represented by 4 long and 3 short flashes.

The position of codes in a sequence can be helpful in doing diagnostics. A display showing 1-1-1-pause-9-9-9 indicates two problems occurring at different times. A sequence showing 1-9-1-9-1-9 indicates two problems occurring at the same time.

Resetting ECU

Sometimes it may be useful to reset the ECU memory. Although that maybe done by removing the battery for around 20 minutes or so, this will also kill your clock and radio presets. A more elegant way is to:

on 86-90 Legends remove the alternator fuse for 20 seconds.
on 91-95 Legends remove the ACG fuse in the interior fuse panel for 20 seconds. (note that this will also clear the seat memory)



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Below are trouble codes for 86-95 Acura/Honda Legends:

1986-1990 Legend (G1)
Code # Explanation
1 Front Oxygen Sensor
2 Rear Oxygen Sensor
3 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor
5 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor
4 Crank Angle Sensor
6 Coolant Temperature Sensor
7 Throttle Angle Sensor
8 Top-Dead-Center Position Sensor
9 Number 1 Cylinder Piston Position
10 Intake Temperature Sensor
12 E.G.R. System
13 Atmospheric Pressure Sensor
14 Electronic Idle Control Module
15 Ignition Output Signal
17 Vehicle Speed Sensor
18 Ignition Timing Adjustment




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1991-1995 Legend (G2)

Code # Explanation
1 Left Oxygen Sensor
2 Right Oxygen Sensor
3 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor
5 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor
4 Crank Angle Sensor
6 Coolant Temperature Sensor
7 Throttle Angle Sensor
9 Number 1 Cylinder Position (No. 1 Sensor)
10 Intake Temperature Sensor
12 E.G.R. Sensor
13 Atmospheric Pressure Sensor
14 Electronic Idle Control Module
15 Ignition Output Signal
16 Fuel Injector
17 Vehicle Speed Sensor
18 Ignition Timing Adjustment
23 Left Knock Sensor
41 Left Oxygen Sensor Heater
42 Right Oxygen Sensor Heater
43 Left Fuel Supply System
44 Right Fuel Supply System
45 Left Fuel Metering
46 Right Fuel Metering
53 Right Knock Sensor
54 Crank Angle 2 Sensor
59 Number 1 Cylinder Position (No. 2 Sensor)

(Thanks to Leon Millete for this thread here)

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Engine Swaps
In theory, if you have the time (and money), just about any engine swap is possible, just most will require extensive bodywork, engine bay work, pain, and suffering, so again unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, most swaps with other Honda/Acura engines should not be attempted. On the other hand, there are a few exceptions to what can be swapped and what can't:

~All Possible~
- [USDM Type I -> USDM Type II]: Can be swapped easily with no custom mounts or anything...just drops right in (works with Type I ECU, but works noticibly better with Type II ECU swapped also){also works vice versa}
- [USDM Type I -> JDM Type I/II]: Same as above, just drops right in, nothing custom about it. {also works vice versa}
- [USDM Type I -> EDM Type I/II]: Same as above, still nothing fancy. {also works vice versa}
- [Type I heads -> Type II heads/intake manifold]: Possible with a few modifications, this would turn your Type I into a Type II...its just alot easier to do a complete swap than to modify all this.
- [Legend Type I -> 96-98 TL/Inspire]: Totally possible, since the TLs from these years shared the same C32A Type I that the Legend used from 91-95.

~NOT Possible without serious money/time~
- [Legend -> 96-03 3.5 RL/Legend]: Possible with money, and has already been done by member 'DV8' (do a search).
- [Legend C32 -> NSX C32]: Requires SERIOUS money, since this C32 engine is wider than the Legends C32, and would require the rest of the car to be completely modified to accomodate this engine. The intake manifold isnt swappable from the NSX either.
- [Legend -> 99-04 TL/Inspire]: Completely different engines...Legend uses the C block which is laterally mounted, TL/Inspire's use the J block which is completely sideways (transversely mounted).
- [Legend -> 96-03 CL]: Same as above, the CL uses the J block also.

and remember, the Legend's engine is a 6 cylinder, and these heavy bodies need hp and torque...not really much point in trying to throw in a 4 banger from an Integra or Civic...unless your heart is really set on it and your pockets are burning your thighs.

But still, just about anything CAN be accomplished if you have the money, boredom, and time.

USEFUL Spark Plug Info (By MikeD )
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Spark Plugs & What They Say

Our spark plugs... usually the most hated stuff and sometimes kinda frustrating. Sometimes we can make this easy or we can make it hard. If it's hard then it's kinda annoying. Why? Well, let's start with easy. After running for a while normally, we should stop to take out spark plugs and look at how their condition is.
Now take look on the spark plug porcelain for the color and the condition of it. Plug colors tell the mechanic, how the engine runs and can be very important. Plugs change colors and the different colors can explain such things as if the engine is running too hot or if the engine is worn. The color should be read by looking at the porcelain insulator and compared to the plugs shown on the next few slides.


Standard Light Brown Basicially they should look tan colored!
A tan colored plug means that the engine is running normal and the air/fuel mixture is correct. This is the correct color a spark plug should be and it tells the mechanic everything is fine with the engine. The mechanic would install a new properly gapped plug. When installing a new plug, replace the old one with the same heat range. The plug below shows normal wear in the center electrode. A new plug would have square edges that helps the plug firing better.




Black & Sooty Engine runs too rich!
If you noticed that your plugs look like this, your engine runs too rich in the fuel departement or too cold of spark plug!




Black Dry & Fluffy Too much gas!
A black dry fluffy colored plug is caused by deposits from a carburetor, that is running too rich (too much gas), or excessive idling on some engines. Black smoke coming from the exhaust is a sign of a rich air/fuel mixture. The rich air/fuel mixture must be repaired before installing a new spark plug. Common causes for a rich air/fuel mixture are:

- Dirty Air Filter.
- Air Mixture Screw Or Carburetor Needs Adjusting.
- Choke Is Sticking. {obsolete but still valid}
- Carburetor Float Height Out Of Adjustment Or Float Is Sticking Open.




Black & Shiny If your sparks look like this, they are oil fouled!
A black wet shiny or glazed colored plug, is caused by burned oil that is leaking past the piston rings or valve guides / seals and burns in the cylinder. This engine will have blue smoke coming out of the exhaust. It is a sign, that the engine will need rebuilding. Two strokes that have this color spark plug are burning the transmission oil from the crankcase. If a new spark plug is installed, it will foul and quit working. Common causes for this problem are:

- Worn Piston & Rings.
- Worn Valve Guides / Seals.
- Worn Cylinder Bore.
- Crankshaft Seals are bad or cases, that need lapping (if on a two stroke engine with a tranny).





Whitish Too lean of a mixture!
If they are whitish, you're running too lean a fuel mixture and / or wrong ignition timing, or too hot of spark plug. When you see this, your engine is about to blow up!
A white colored plug is caused by the engine overheating. Failure to repair this engine will result in severe engine damage. Common causes for this are:

- Incorrect Spark Plug (too hot heat range).
- Low Octane Fuel.
- Timing Not Set Properly.
- Cooling Problems, (dirty cylinder fins, no or low water if water cooled, low or no engine oil).
- Carburetor Air/Fuel Mixture Too Lean (too much air).
- Leaking Crankshaft Seals. (no oil, base or head gasket leaks, or crankcase leaks on two stroke engines).




Hit Plug Fatal !
The plug below shows what can happen when something hits the spark plug. Something from inside the engine has hit the plug and this problem must be repaired before running the engine further. Make sure the spark plug is the correct length for the engine.





Detonation Plug Engine damage !
Excessive detonation has caused that the porcelain on this plug to break away. If this engine is allowed to run, engine damage can occur. Make sure the fuel octane is high enough for the engines requirements.





Carbon Plug Misfire !
The plug below has carbon across the plug gap. This is usually caused by carbon that is loosened and it lodges between the gap causing the plug to misfire.





Preignition Failure Engine damage !
The plug below was caused by pre-ignition and failure to repair this condition what will cause damage to the engine. Check for the following:

- Over Advanced Ignition Timing
- Correct Heat Range Plug
- Lean Air/Fuel Mixture
- Cooling System
- Lack Of Lubrication





Worn Out Plug Engine running poorly!
The plug below is worn out from being used for a long period of time. Notice how the center electrode is round and worn from use. A spark plug that is worn takes a lot more voltage to fire and can cause the engine to run poorly.



Now the harder stuff...
A spark plug doesn't make your engine run hotter or colder. The terms hot or cold refer to the temp of the tip of the spark plug itself. The plug must keep a temperature of, between 752F & 1652F. If it gets too hot, then it can fire off the air/fuel mixture at a wrong time. This can cause the detonation and/or pinging, which will put a hole in your piston {That's really not good!}. If it gets too cold it will not burn off the carbon and fuel deposits on it's tip and the plug will foul out (stop working) not good either.



The heat range of a spark plug is controlled by a length of the center electrode. A longer one is hotter bc it takes more longer for the heat to flow thru it to the cylinder head. As you might think, the cooler plug has a short center electrode.



To get a true plug color reading, you should run your engine on a level road, at the throttle setting that you want to test, for about 1-2 miles, then kill the ignition, pull the clutch in and coast to a stop. Then pull the plug and look at it. It might sounds hard, but sometimes a really good way to test it.
As for the engine ages and more oil gets past the rings a hotter plug may be in order. If you ride at low speeds all times, a hotter plug will keep the plugs from fouling. If you love high speeds, a cooler plug may be just the ticket. Don't be afraid to pull the plug out and give 'er a read! It's always worth it .

Ok, that was the info about our spark plugs. I hope I could help you a lil bit. After you checked out your spark plugs and their condition, make sure you got the right color of condition. That's also very useful for the feature. Now you know... It's very important. Maybe you should consider (if not yet) to buy Platinum plugs. More info you can read here... Platinum Spark Plugs. Good luck. -Mike

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I think your VIN layout nay be wrong.. Can you verify?
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I think your VIN layout nay be wrong.. Can you verify?
PM Leon Millette...most of that section came from him. And im really not sure...i did find ONE instance where the VIN didnt work with that layout, but everything else seemed to. But PM him to verify.

edit: at least i THINK it was him...i cant even find where i extracted that info from now

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macdaddy117,

As I posted in my other thread, this info for VIN numbers IS wrong.
The trouble is with the 7th digit. I called my local Acura dealer to
confirm my info. It SHOULD read:

Digit 1-3 - Manufacturer
JH4 = Honda Motor Co. LTD

Digit 4-6 - Body Type
KA4 = 86-90 All
KA7 = 91-95 4 Door Sedan
KA8 = 91-95 2 Door Coupe

Digit 7 - Body Style/Transmission Type
1 = coupe, manual
2 = coupe, automatic
5 = sedan, manual
6 = sedan, automatic


Digit 8 - Option/Trim Package
3 = 86-90 Standard (No Sunroof)
4 = 86-90 Standard (Sunroof)
5 = 86-90 Leather Interior
6 = 86-95 L Trim
7 = 86-95 LS Trim
8 = 93-95 GS Trim
9 = 93-95 SE Trim

Digit 9
Check digit

Digit 10 - Production Year
G = 1986
H = 1987
J = 1988
K = 1989
L = 1990
M = 1991
N = 1992
P = 1993
R = 1994
S = 1995

Digit 11 - Assembly Plant Location
C = Saitama, Japan

Digit 12-17
Individual vehicle serial number


sorry to stomp your info, but it almost cost me a killer 95 LS Coupe!
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great! its ok to stomp on the info, especially if theres somethin wrong with it . Most of the info here wasnt written BY me, its just general stuff that has been posted around the forum for a couple of years that i compiled together because many people are too lazy to search for themselves.

thanks for actually calling a dealership and confirming it....editing now, and adding your name
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Well, if you're in the process of editing, you might want to add this to the chassis codes or body type for the G1 under Digit 4-6.

KA2 = 86-87 4 Door Sedan
KA3 = 87-90 2 Door Coupe
KA4 = 88-90 4 Door Sedan

EDIT: For those of you non-USDM or Japanese owners, these chassis codes might help you;

KA1 = 85-89
KA5 = 88-89 Ti (turbo)
KA6 = 89 V6xi

I am not 100% positive on the last 3, but they should be right.


BTW, thanks for compiling this info. It has helped me a few times.

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Well, if you're in the process of editing, you might want to add this to the chassis codes or body type for the G1 under Digit 4-6.

KA2 = 86-87 4 Door Sedan
KA3 = 87-90 2 Door Coupe
KA4 = 88-90 4 Door Sedan


BTW, thanks for compiling this info. It has helped me a few times.
cool, its edited, and added you in

and im always in the process of editing...if anybody finds any info they think should go in here, or finds an error in somethin i posted, i dont have a problem adding something in that i forgot or fixing something that was wrong. The point of this thread is to get accurate general knowledge to members as easy as possible...not to make me look good lol.
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A/C Compressor Clutch Relay: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box C
A/C Pressure Switch: Front RH Side Of Engine Compartment
ASS Wheel Speed Sensor: At Respective Wheels
Anti-Lock Brake Control Unit: Under Passengers Seat
Anti-Lock Brake Front Fail Safe Relay: Re& RH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box C
Anti-Lock Brake Rear Fail Safe Relay: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box C
Audio System Power Amplifier Unit (LS): Front Of Luggage Compartment
Automatic Climate Control Unit: Behind Center Of Instrument Panel
Back-Up Lamp Switch: On Transmission Case
Blower High Relay: Behind RH Side Of Instrument Panel, Mounted On Blower Case
Blower Low Relay: Behind RH Side Of Instrument Panel, Mounted On Blower Case
Blower Unit: Behind RH Side Of Instrument Panel
Brake Light Switch: Under LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Cigarette Lighter Relay: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box C
Climate Control Unit: Center Of Instrument Panel
Clutch Switch: Mounted By Clutch Pedal
Condenser Fan Motor: Front RH Side Of Engine Compartment
Condenser Fan Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box A
Coolant Temperature Sensor: Front RH Side Of Engine Compartment
Cooling Fan Control Unit: Right Front Floor Panel, Next To Electronic Control Unit (ECU)
Cooling Fan Timer Unit: Behind RH Kick Panel
Courtesy Light Controller: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Cruise Control Unit: Behind RH Side Of Instrument Panel
Cyl/Crank Sensor: Front Of Engine
Dashlight Brightness Control Unit: Behind Center Of Instrument Panel
Dashlight Brightness Controller: RH Side Of Instrument Cluster
Dimmer Relay: In Underhood Relay/Fuse Box
Dome Relay: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box C
Driver Door Power Window Switch (w/Control Unit): Drivers Door
Drivers Side Airbag: In Steering Wheel
Electronic Control Unit (ECU) Control Unit: Right Front Floor Panel
Electronic Control Unit (ECU) Main Relay: Behind LH Side of Instrument Panel
Entry Light Control Unit: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Fuse Panel: Under The Lefthand Side Of Dash Panel
Hazard Switch: Behind Center Of Instrument Panel
Horn Relay: Front LH Side OF Engine Compartment In Relay Box
Igniter Unit: RH Center Of Engine Compartment
Ignition Coils: At Respective Cylinders
Ignition Switch: Mounted On Steering Column
Integrated Control Unit: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Interlock Control Unit (A/T): Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Intermittent Wiper Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box A
Junction Connector: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box A
Key Interlock Solenoid: RH Side Of Steering Wheel
Lighting Relay: In Underhood Relay/Fuse Box
Lighting Switch: LH Side Of Steering Column
Neutral Safety Switch (A/T): Under Center Console
Oil Temperature Switch: Rear RH Side Of Engine
Passenger Airbag Assembly: Top RH Side Of Instrument Panel
Power Antenna Motor: LH Side Of Luggage Compartment
Power Door Lock Actuator: In Respective Doors
Power Door Lock Control Unit: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Power Seat Control Unit: Under Drivers Seat
Power Seat Front Lift Motor: Under Drivers Seat
Power Seat Motor: Under Respective Seats
Power Seat Rear Lift Memory Sensor: Under Drivers Seat
Power Seat Reclining Memory Limit Switch: In Rear Of Drivers Seat
Power Seat Reclining Memory Sensor: In Rear Of Drivers Seat
Power Seat Reclining Motor: In Rear Of Drivers Seat
Power Seat Sliding Memory Sensor: Under Drivers Seat
Power Seat Sliding Motor: Under Drivers Seat
Power Window Motors: In Respective Doors
Power Window Relay: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Radiator Fan Main Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment, In Relay Box A
Radiator Fan Motor: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment
Radiator Fan Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box A
Rear Brake Light Failure Sensors: At Respective Rear Brake Lights
Rear Defogger Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box A
Rear Defogger Switch: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Relay Box A: The Center LH Side Of Engine Compartment
Relay Box B: Front RH Side Of The Engine Compartment
Relay Box C: Right Rear Of The Engine Compartment
Security Control Unit: Under LH Side Of Instrument Panel, Right Of Steering Column
Service Loop: Front RH Side Of Engine Compartment
Shift Lock Solenoid: Under Center Console
Shift Position Console Switch: Under Center Console
Speed Sensor: Front RH Side Of Engine
Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) Control Unit: Middle Of Floor, Under Console
Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) Dash Sensor (LH Side): Front LH Side Of Floor
Supplementary Restraint System (SRS) Dash Sensor (RH Side): Front RH Side Of Floor
Starter Cut Relay: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Starter Interlock System (M/T): Mounted By Clutch Pedal
Stereo Amplifier: Under LH Side Of rear Seat
Sunroof Close Relay: Rear Of Roof, Under Headliner
Sunroof Motor: Rear Of Roof, Under Headliner
Sunroof Open Relay: Rear Of Roof, Under Headliner
Tachometer Connector: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment
Taillight Relay: In Underhood Relay/Fuse Box
Timing Adjuster: Center Rear Of Engine Compartment In Control Box
Trunk Opener Solenoid: In Rear Of Luggage Compartment
Trunk Opener Main Switch: RH Side Of Instrument Panel, Behind Glove Box
Trunk Opener Switch: In Drivers Door
Turn Signal Switch: LH Side Of Steering Column
Turn Signal/Hazard Relay: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Under Dash Fuse Box: Behind LH Side Of Instrument Panel
Underhood Relay Box B: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment
Underhood Relay Box C: Rear RH Side Of Engine Compartment
Underhood Relay/Fuse Box: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment
Wiper High Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box B
Wiper Low Relay: Front LH Side Of Engine Compartment In Relay Box B
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Normal Operating Temperature for a Legend

Q: What is the proper position of the temperature gauge needle?
Q: What should the normal operating temperature for the Legend?

Dethred says in the huge coolant:
"~2 needle widths from below middle, or what he said. It wont go above the normal temp unless something is wrong. If it goes above half something is wrong basically, Our temp needles are dummy gauges so anything above half is air in the system or an overheating condition."
Is your 91-95 Legend overheating? Got a coolant problem? Post all questions in here.

JetDoc offers a picture for a 91-92 one post down from Dethred's:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/airbus...&.dnm=d119.jpg

The general concensus is that the temp gauge should be dead in the center or a hair underneath and shouldn't fluctuate for any reason.

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As a new Legend owner, I'd like to document the following topic since it appears that a) this is info that all the veteran Legend owners already know and b) the comments are buried 30-40 pages deep in the Coolant thread -- which I might add is waay too unwieldy.

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Has the Legend Temple site moved? I click on it and I get a page not found.

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Has the Legend Temple site moved? I click on it and I get a page not found.

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the owner actually closed it down, and we have a snowballs chance in hell of getting it back up

long story...

thanks for the heads up tho...i need to delete that link.
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