Oil on spark plugs... spark plug seals? - Page 2

frantinez63 · 09-11-04, 03:44 AM

How much are valve seals...anyone have an Acura part #?

Thanks,

Eric

joeman · 09-11-04, 03:54 AM

You will get moisture and fuel down into your oil, and combined with the pressure "blowby", your oil will get all foamy and it will eventually turn into sludge... It will smoke like hell, you most likely will have rough idling, poor acceleration, and bad gas mileage. I doubt you have bad rings, unless you were running a really crappy filter, or none at all. Or if you got dirt into the cylinders when changing spark plugs or something. The only other thing that would really cause you rings to go bad would be pretty serious detonation. Again, you would know if you had that. How many miles do you have? I mean look at long most legends go on original internals with no problems. We have a good r/s ratio and very stout rings from what I've heard/ read.

Hotstartup · 09-11-04, 03:59 AM

running a k&n CAI. 160k miles on the car. if dirt went in when i was doing the plugs it had to be minimal, like in amounts everyone else would if they swapped the plugs

Hotstartup · 09-11-04, 04:00 AM

oh and i dont have any blue smoke out the exhaust, very little smoke in fact, only st startup i get a tiny bit which goes away once the car is warm.

Jetdoc · 09-11-04, 04:01 AM

The oil probably got on the spark plug threads when the plug was removed. There is a seal/gasket in the valve cover that keeps oil from leaking into the spark plug area(outside of the cylinder). It is common for this seal to leak over time letting some oil into the spark plug tube. To verify remove the coil pack and look into the spark plug tube wilth a flashlight. If you see oil it's leaking. You can also remove the spark plug, if there is oil on the socket or plug it's leaking. For a shop to replace the valve cover gaskets and oil seals it should only take 1 hr and around $100.

Hotstartup · 09-11-04, 04:05 AM

jetdoc i did what u are saying and yea it was leaking, also the oil was on the threads of the plug. acura want an hour of labor for each side, and 5 for each seal.

Jetdoc · 09-11-04, 04:26 AM

An independent shop could do it, it's not to hard. If you want to save some $$$

Hotstartup · 09-11-04, 08:59 AM

so about an hour of labor per side?

Jetdoc · 09-11-04, 09:05 AM

At the most.

joeman · 09-11-04, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

The oil probably got on the spark plug threads when the plug was removed. There is a seal/gasket in the valve cover that keeps oil from leaking into the spark plug area. It is common for this seal to leak over time letting some oil into the spark plug tube. To verify remove the coil pack and look into the spark plug tube wilth a flashlight. If you see oil it's leaking. You can also remove the spark plug, if there is oil on the socket or plug it's leaking. For a shop to replace the valve cover gaskets and oil seals it should only take 1 hr and around $100.

Good advice there

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For future reference people searching this thread....That and then the valve seals would be the next most common problem to the above mentioned symptoms. i just wanted to add to what I said earlier, If you think you have piston rings leaking one easy way to verify is to screw a fitting into your spark plug hole get on your compression stroke and fill with compressed air. if you have leaking rings, the air will come out your dipstick tube.. otherwise you will hear it coming from your valves (or wherever the source of your leak)

joeman · 09-11-04, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frantinez63

How much are valve seals...anyone have an Acura part #?

Thanks,

Eric

Call Acura of Augusta and ask for Joe or Jason. 1-800-851-5158, parts dept. Just tell them what you need, they have all the part#'s...make sure to ask for the Acura Legend forums discount.

Hotstartup · 09-11-04, 10:20 AM

the part itself is relatively cheap i got quoted for 5 buckes a seal. for parts under 50 bucks i would rather just go to the dealer so you might only save 15-20 bucks max.

DJPolak · 09-11-04, 01:52 PM

any DIY tips ?

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joeman Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,386 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan (SOLD) Car 2: 91 240sx 5spd Hatch Car 3: 99 VR4 iTrader: (0)	You will get moisture and fuel down into your oil, and combined with the pressure "blowby", your oil will get all foamy and it will eventually turn into sludge... It will smoke like hell, you most likely will have rough idling, poor acceleration, and bad gas mileage. I doubt you have bad rings, unless you were running a really crappy filter, or none at all. Or if you got dirt into the cylinders when changing spark plugs or something. The only other thing that would really cause you rings to go bad would be pretty serious detonation. Again, you would know if you had that. How many miles do you have? I mean look at long most legends go on original internals with no problems. We have a good r/s ratio and very stout rings from what I've heard/ read. __________________ 99 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4... 1 of 263 produced TT/AWD/6 spd/ 5Zigen FN01RC, roller bearing SS, Passport SR1, HIDs, LEDs, custom berber mats, Alpine IVA-D300, MP3 changer, 2000 watts custom plexi & neon Alpine rack /2x Brahma 10's, Seas Lotus, SQL setup, 20% F1 Tint, Tein Flex, Maximal Adj C arms, Greddy BOV, 3SX poly mounts, Carbotech/Hawk/SS lines, DR-650 turbos, next... 19x10 RH J5 Pro

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Jetdoc FIXER Join Date: May 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,687 Car 1: 1992 Legend L 265k Black(sold) 1994 Legend LS 175K Green 1967 NOVA SS Bolero Red iTrader: (1)	The oil probably got on the spark plug threads when the plug was removed. There is a seal/gasket in the valve cover that keeps oil from leaking into the spark plug area(outside of the cylinder). It is common for this seal to leak over time letting some oil into the spark plug tube. To verify remove the coil pack and look into the spark plug tube wilth a flashlight. If you see oil it's leaking. You can also remove the spark plug, if there is oil on the socket or plug it's leaking. For a shop to replace the valve cover gaskets and oil seals it should only take 1 hr and around $100. Last edited by Jetdoc : 09-11-04 at 10:26 AM.

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09-11-04, 03:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
Hotstartup Type I King Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,198 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan Car 2: 91 LS Coupe 5 spd iTrader: (7)	running a k&n CAI. 160k miles on the car. if dirt went in when i was doing the plugs it had to be minimal, like in amounts everyone else would if they swapped the plugs

09-11-04, 04:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
Hotstartup Type I King Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,198 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan Car 2: 91 LS Coupe 5 spd iTrader: (7)	oh and i dont have any blue smoke out the exhaust, very little smoke in fact, only st startup i get a tiny bit which goes away once the car is warm.

09-11-04, 04:05 AM	#21 (permalink)
Hotstartup Type I King Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,198 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan Car 2: 91 LS Coupe 5 spd iTrader: (7)	jetdoc i did what u are saying and yea it was leaking, also the oil was on the threads of the plug. acura want an hour of labor for each side, and 5 for each seal.

09-11-04, 04:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
Jetdoc FIXER Join Date: May 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,687 Car 1: 1992 Legend L 265k Black(sold) 1994 Legend LS 175K Green 1967 NOVA SS Bolero Red iTrader: (1)	An independent shop could do it, it's not to hard. If you want to save some $$$

09-11-04, 08:59 AM	#23 (permalink)
Hotstartup Type I King Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,198 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan Car 2: 91 LS Coupe 5 spd iTrader: (7)	so about an hour of labor per side?

09-11-04, 09:05 AM	#24 (permalink)
Jetdoc FIXER Join Date: May 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,687 Car 1: 1992 Legend L 265k Black(sold) 1994 Legend LS 175K Green 1967 NOVA SS Bolero Red iTrader: (1)	At the most.

09-11-04, 10:20 AM	#27 (permalink)
Hotstartup Type I King Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,198 Car 1: 92 LS Sedan Car 2: 91 LS Coupe 5 spd iTrader: (7)	the part itself is relatively cheap i got quoted for 5 buckes a seal. for parts under 50 bucks i would rather just go to the dealer so you might only save 15-20 bucks max.

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