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Old 11-01-07, 08:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2009 Nissan GT-R

Yeah, there were a couple posts about it a few weeks ago, but I just got my new Motor Trend. Hp=~480, tq=~443 lb/ft. Everyone already knows that Nissan is claiming a 1/4 time of 11.7 seconds, but they're claiming a trap speed of....get this....149.1 mph!

For comparison, the McClaren F1 GTR runs the 1/4 @ 9.031 @ 149.2 w/a V12.
The Enzo goes 10.8 @ 135 w/a 660 hp, 485 lb/ft V12.

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Old 11-01-07, 08:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Impressive, too bad that thing is hideous. I wonder what the MSRP is going to be for it.

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Impressive, too bad that thing is hideous. I wonder what the MSRP is going to be for it.
i got the same motor trend and went damn thats fast and ugly

60 to 80k
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Old 11-01-07, 09:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I love it!!!! There are videos floating around the net and I think the car looks better in video than in the pictures and I'm sure it will look even better in person. This thing is a beast.
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Old 11-01-07, 09:47 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I would buy one in a heartbeat. It's one of those cars that has to grow on you. I, for one, love the fact that it doesn't look like anything else out there. Sometimes you have to step off the styling cliff, but once proven, others will follow. Think BMW and the Hofmeister kink.
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Old 11-01-07, 05:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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But it does look like something else out there. its just a beefed up g37, which is also ugly
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Old 11-01-07, 05:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I have to disagree with you there, the G37 IMO looks GOOD.
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Old 11-01-07, 05:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I would buy one in a heartbeat. It's one of those cars that has to grow on you. I, for one, love the fact that it doesn't look like anything else out there. Sometimes you have to step off the styling cliff, but once proven, others will follow. Think BMW and the Hofmeister kink.
Do you have 80K - 90K to spend on a car? And if you did, would you really spend it on a Nissan? I love Nissan but I wouldn't spend that much money one. A Corvette or even a Porsche Cayman would get all the wows from friends and the ladies I want to impress with such a car. With the GT-R, you'd get attention more from the video game/import tuner crowd.

If you'd get the car because you legitimately want an awesome driving experience, then by all means, GT-R but around that price bracket, there's almost certainly some brand-name recognition involved and the problem is; there are other cars the deliver the recognition while still providing the thrilling drive.

I'd love to test a GT-R to see if the thrill is worth the price (or if there's enough of it to justify passing on a Porsche or Corvette) but I know I'd never get a chance to test drive one and neither will the majority of us on the forum =/ I just can't see this car selling to the niche that appreciates it.
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Maybe they should sell it under the Infiniti name, like Acura did with the NSX (another expensive Japanese supercar, but with no history behind it).
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That's funny you mention that; I was just thinking about how Honda possibly made that a success. For one thing, Honda was actively in racing at the time (still is) which probably helped. Also the market (and the marketing) was pretty strong and the NSX came to the U.S. under good timing. Finally, the NSX was a really really good car and brought something new and fresh to the expensive car market: reliability and daily driver friendliness.

I don't know if the GT-R can manage the same thing. In Nissan's favor though, this is a real 180 from the ditch they had driven into just ten years ago. They've got good momentum behind them with successes like the Altima, 350Z, Murano, Maxima ~ hell, anything with a VQ engine in it.
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Do you have 80K - 90K to spend on a car? And if you did, would you really spend it on a Nissan? I love Nissan but I wouldn't spend that much money one. A Corvette or even a Porsche Cayman would get all the wows from friends and the ladies I want to impress with such a car. With the GT-R, you'd get attention more from the video game/import tuner crowd.

If you'd get the car because you legitimately want an awesome driving experience, then by all means, GT-R but around that price bracket, there's almost certainly some brand-name recognition involved and the problem is; there are other cars the deliver the recognition while still providing the thrilling drive.

I'd love to test a GT-R to see if the thrill is worth the price (or if there's enough of it to justify passing on a Porsche or Corvette) but I know I'd never get a chance to test drive one and neither will the majority of us on the forum =/ I just can't see this car selling to the niche that appreciates it.
I'm not worried about impressing anyone. Those days are long, long gone for me. People care too much about what other people think, and that limits creativity, imagination, and progression. To me, life isn't about trying to keep up with the Jones', nor impress them.

A GT-R would be something that I would buy for the sheer exhilaration of driving. The only person that that car would have to impress is me. And while brand recognition may mean a lot when it comes to the price of the car, to me it's just that: a name. And to me, Nissan means dependability, longevity, advanced, forward thinking. Pretty much the same as Toyota and Honda. I figure the dust will settle with this car in about year, and then we'll see what's what, as will Nissan.

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Old 11-01-07, 10:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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the GTR is more race the street themed....but i still think the R32 R33 and R34 are still better then the new GTR
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Maybe they should sell it under the Infiniti name, like Acura did with the NSX (another expensive Japanese supercar, but with no history behind it).
Are you serious? Do some research on the Nissan Skyline/GTR. Plenty of history and one hell of a performer.

The problem with putting the Infiniti name on it is............one....Infiniti is a U.S. brand. They're all Nissans overseas. Two, Infiniti does not have racing heritage whereas as Nissan does.

I agree that it's going to be tough to sell a $70K Nissan but when you do the research and see what into building this car and how it competes against a $150k+ Porsche, the price doesn't seem outrageous.
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Old 11-01-07, 11:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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the 141mph is because of a speedlimiter.
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Are you serious? Do some research on the Nissan Skyline/GTR. Plenty of history and one hell of a performer.

The problem with putting the Infiniti name on it is............one....Infiniti is a U.S. brand. They're all Nissans overseas. Two, Infiniti does not have racing heritage whereas as Nissan does.

I agree that it's going to be tough to sell a $70K Nissan but when you do the research and see what into building this car and how it competes against a $150k+ Porsche, the price doesn't seem outrageous.
You misread my post. What I meant by it was another expensive Japanese supercar, but unlike the GTR it had no history behind it. In other words I was saying the NSX sold in America under Honda's luxury brand WITHOUT a history behind it and it was very successful. I know very well the history behind the Skyline, as it has been a favorite of mine since the 1970s with its' styling IMO being very similar to muscle car styling.

Plus, I already know the Infiniti brand name isn't present in Japan. THAT is my point. In order for it to be accepted as even an option to the typical AMERICAN consumer, that can afford it, it would get a better chance as selling under the Infiniti brand name. When the price of a car done by the standard japanese brand gets higher than the top price of it's LUXURY brand there will be problems with marketing. They are already playing it safe by not selling under the Skyline name and instead naming it only GT-R, so wouldn't it make since just to go ahead and sell it under the Infiniti name.

BTW overseas they ALREADY sell the Skyline, let alone the GT-R, so there won't be any big risk there. My concern is the sales in the U.S., where it has NEVER been sold.

It's TOUGH communicating over the internet where people can REALLY miscomprehend what you are saying. Almost like going to a foreign country.
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