marketing competitors?

ThaAcStangSwerver · 05-12-02, 01:17 PM

Could anyone tell me what cars were direct competitors with the second Gen Legend coupe and sedans? Just wondering.

**502 MotorSports** · 05-12-02, 01:32 PM

Infiniti Q45
Lexus LS 400
SC 300
SC 400

Domestic...I think the:
Town Car
Caddy STS

Matt Whelan · 05-12-02, 02:44 PM

Lexus ES300 & these pictured in early 90's...Notice which car still looks new today...Ummm....Having a hard time figuring it out? I didn't think so...Can you say "Legend"? Can you say "Timeless design"?

ThaAcStangSwerver · 05-12-02, 03:21 PM

What did the Lexus ES300 compete with?

**502 MotorSports** · 05-12-02, 06:21 PM

the ES300 was more on par with the Vigor....the LS400 and Legend were competitors...the ES300 was the entry level Lexus...also remember the ES250? Yes, a Camry...

The ES300 comparable to the I30 by Infiniti as well

ES300...from 28k-33k
Legend 35k-45k
LS400 36k-40k
Q45 39k--45k

whiplash9001 · 05-13-02, 05:18 PM

It really isn't much of a comparison (engine -wise) because the Legends are only running a V-6 when all others i.e BMW, Lexus, Q-45, Town Car, and Seville are running eights. Just don't know what Acura was thinking when they decided to put a six in a 3300 + lb ride. At least do it for the sedan and give an optional for the coupe. For the first time, the other day I drove my boy's sedan, and I see sometimes why these cars have tranny problems. It's just too much weight.

Matt Whelan · 05-13-02, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by whiplash9001
It really isn't much of a comparison (engine -wise) because the Legends are only running a V-6 when all others i.e BMW, Lexus, Q-45, Town Car, and Seville are running eights. Just don't know what Acura was thinking when they decided to put a six in a 3300 + lb ride. At least do it for the sedan and give an optional for the coupe. For the first time, the other day I drove my boy's sedan, and I see sometimes why these cars have tranny problems. It's just too much weight.

Ya, thats my point, the LS400 and Q45 both have always had V8's...Thats why I said the ES300 was more on the Legends level of competition...

05-13-02, 07:31 PM

hmmm, I dust LS400's in my coupe

, Q45's too actually.

**502 MotorSports** · 05-14-02, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpeedDemon
hmmm, I dust LS400's in my coupe , Q45's too actually.

i agree.

I have done the same, and of vehicles of the same years..my brother has a 91 Q45, and even though it has 282hp, my type I still beat him off the line...whether I was driving his, and vice versa.

Also, please recognize that the ES300 now is not equal to the RL now...which is still the Legend.

Also, the Q and LS of the same years still ran very comparable 0-60 and 1/4 times...and the Legend has a V6...not bad for a car that has almost 100hp less than its competition.

I agree with the guys in the other thread though..hmm, imagine Honda finally waking up and dropping a V12 in the flagship...maybe they were holding out...as to not embarass the competition, but inadvertently did the same to themselves...

All in all, I am just saying V6 or not, do not downplay your car...it has the timeless design, less hp, but more useable power than the competition in the sam era...let's observe what honda has in store for us

**502 MotorSports** · 05-14-02, 10:58 PM

in addition, the ES300, is slower than the Legend of any years...1995 ES300 specs:

Base Number of Cylinders: 6
Base Engine Size: 3 liters
Base Engine Type: V6
Horsepower: 188hp @ 5200 rpm
Torque: 203ft-lbs. @ 4400 rpm
Drive Type: FWD

**502 MotorSports** · 05-16-02, 09:22 PM

here is a link Zol presented that shows where the TL is the same level as the BMW 3 series, ES300, etc.

Here is the link:
http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/.../96CBG002.html

05-16-02, 09:40 PM

i think that is where he got the TL engine is the same as a type I engine

**502 MotorSports** · 05-17-02, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stratoknight
i think that is where he got the TL engine is the same as a type I engine

correct...but g1 only

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Matt Whelan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,855 Car 1: 1992 Seattle Silver LS iTrader: (0)	Lexus ES300 & these pictured in early 90's...Notice which car still looks new today...Ummm....Having a hard time figuring it out? I didn't think so...Can you say "Legend"? Can you say "Timeless design"? __________________ 1992 Acura Legend LS Sedan Car name: AL<---figure it out http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...4/fd44ef6e.jpg Modifications GS Rims Acura Gold Emblem Kit OEM CD Changer EDM Corners BMW X5 Xenon Projector headlights Xenarc Xenon driving lights Custom Red/Clear/Red taillamps & JDM Red/orange/Red Taillights 6 color Indiglos Black Mesh Upper Grill

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502 MotorSports 502MotorSports.com Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ATLVILLE Posts: 9,445 Car 1: e39 540i Car 2: e46 325xi \| e46 330i Car 3: S430 iTrader: (0)	the ES300 was more on par with the Vigor....the LS400 and Legend were competitors...the ES300 was the entry level Lexus...also remember the ES250? Yes, a Camry... The ES300 comparable to the I30 by Infiniti as well ES300...from 28k-33k Legend 35k-45k LS400 36k-40k Q45 39k--45k __________________ The Hotness! Elevate Your Standards.... Legend Mod Money! Jasmyn \| Final e39 Pics \| 502MotorSports MySpace

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whiplash9001 Legend Na**on Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: B'More Md Posts: 747 Car 1: Blk '95 L Coupe iTrader: (0)	It really isn't much of a comparison (engine -wise) because the Legends are only running a V-6 when all others i.e BMW, Lexus, Q-45, Town Car, and Seville are running eights. Just don't know what Acura was thinking when they decided to put a six in a 3300 + lb ride. At least do it for the sedan and give an optional for the coupe. For the first time, the other day I drove my boy's sedan, and I see sometimes why these cars have tranny problems. It's just too much weight. __________________ by SmokinFastLegend http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...hotforwhip.jpg I've Always Likened The Legend To A Fine Woman, You Can Love Them As Long As You Respect Them. If You Don't You Will Lose Them, And A Good One Is Hard To Find.

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Posts: n/a	hmmm, I dust LS400's in my coupe , Q45's too actually.

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502 MotorSports 502MotorSports.com Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ATLVILLE Posts: 9,445 Car 1: e39 540i Car 2: e46 325xi \| e46 330i Car 3: S430 iTrader: (0)	in addition, the ES300, is slower than the Legend of any years...1995 ES300 specs: Base Number of Cylinders: 6 Base Engine Size: 3 liters Base Engine Type: V6 Horsepower: 188hp @ 5200 rpm Torque: 203ft-lbs. @ 4400 rpm Drive Type: FWD __________________ The Hotness! Elevate Your Standards.... Legend Mod Money! Jasmyn \| Final e39 Pics \| 502MotorSports MySpace

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502 MotorSports 502MotorSports.com Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ATLVILLE Posts: 9,445 Car 1: e39 540i Car 2: e46 325xi \| e46 330i Car 3: S430 iTrader: (0)	here is a link Zol presented that shows where the TL is the same level as the BMW 3 series, ES300, etc. Here is the link: http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/.../96CBG002.html __________________ The Hotness! Elevate Your Standards.... Legend Mod Money! Jasmyn \| Final e39 Pics \| 502MotorSports MySpace

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Posts: n/a	i think that is where he got the TL engine is the same as a type I engine

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