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larfx you're something else.
They are standard in many countries (INCLUDING CANADA) meaning every car must have them... and they're dangerous? Some people...

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larfx

Hmmm, actually what you just said is the stupidest thing.

Disagree with me, fine. Dislike the fact that others disagree with you, fine. But reply in that manner and it is you that comes across in a negative light. I am saddened that you would choose to respond in that manner, as it indicates that you have nothing to actually add to the conversation.

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larfx

They aren't really doing any good, but you are used to them. Here in the States we still have a choice and they are not the "safety" issue that people think they are. Of course, opinions can vary.

Yes, they are dangerous, especially where some have them and they are at varying levels of brightness. The moment that a person spends looking at a car with brighter lights is the moment that they are not seeing the rest of traffic, pedestrians and other non lit potential hazards (even other cars with lower level versions of DRLs). You can not believe it, but it is a real concept that does occur.

By the way, Austria just dropped DRLs and the EU was unable to mandate them. I don't know why Canada has them, but the U.S. has not implemented them. In reality, if they were so beneficial, they would have been the law years ago.

You cannot have a discussion with others in which you badmouth them and are not considerate. My comments are in relation to the U.S., Canada is what it is.

Personally, I am saddened to see that people here have bought into the "safety" of DRLs without actually seeing the big picture.

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MrPeacock72

Although, I welcome your opinion and any comment that you may have, I would have to say that I disagree with you on several points:

1. They do provide a safety benefit... just ask anyone that has approached an on-coming vehicle in a tunnel, fog, or rain that didn't have them. Also, if they weren't safe, why would other countries have them as standard equipment, as stated earlier? The same was probably said about the 3-point seatbelt in it's beginning, but I wouldn't go without one now if you paid me.

2. They may be annoying to some, but I know more people that would much rather have people with them than not. Personally, I didn't initally think of doing this mod to appease anyone, other than myself. It was more astetics than anything, but now, I look at how much more my car is more visible in traffic than it was before. Now I'm glad I went forward with it.

3. I think (in fact, I know) that my stereo setup uses more energy than these two measly fog light bulbs. Since I've put them to use, we've had very dense morning fog and severe rain. By having these lights being controlled by my ignition, it has allowed me to be visible in those elements with having to remember to turn my headlights off, which, by the way, uses a considerable more amount of energy by having your headlights, parklights, AND taillights on all at the same time. Besides, the energy they use is from the alternator, NOT the battery, so there is no loss in energy.

4. If anyone is that easily distracted by someone's DRLs instead being aware of the other 300 degrees around them, they shouldn't have a license in the first place. They should also see about getting diagnosed with having ADHD and get treatment for that and not putting the blame on others.

IN CONCLUSION: If anyone thinks that after all of the brainstorming, money/time spent waiting for parts to come in, and testing/trobleshooting my connections that I'm going to take them off because of the opinion of another, they might as well keep it moving. As long as my car is alive, all of my mods are here to stay.

Y'all have a nice day.

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larfx

First off, thanks for taking the time to speak to me in a nice manner. All I seek is to give the other side of the coin. Down here the majority of drivers don't have them or have turned them off and that would not be the case if everyone (except for a few folks) agreed that they were a safety innovation.

The safety benefit has not been proven. Austria mandated DRLs across the board and found that their accident rate actually went up and have now enacted legislation to eliminate them with the exception of low powered LEDs. Poland enacted DRLs and have seen accident rates go up. The U.S. and U.K. have not enacted DRLs due to opposition and Japan studied them and have refused implement them due to a lack of safety proof and issues with glare. The EU attempted to mandate them and have now taken the idea off of the table due to opposition from member states and the public at large. General Motors has been pushing for DRLs for over 13 years in the States and have not made any head way. From personal opinions and observances all the way to the seats of national government, DRLs are not proven. The majority of countries do not mandate them.

More than some. If people liked them, then they would be on more cars and people would be recommending them. You should never be doing thing that irritate others (beyond simple taste or preference) for aesthetic reasons or even for unproven safety issues.

The bottom line is that your car was already visible, you never needed the lights in the daylight and now you are just creating a distraction.


It isn't that hard to turn your lights on and off, people have done it for years. It makes no sense to leave your lights on all day, you don't leave your wipers on or your horn blaring because you might need them later in the day. Your lights are not serving any purpose but to irritate others, no matter how "cool" you think they look or even if you think it makes your car look newer.

By the way, there are differing opinions on the power draw and its impact on fuel use. GM has obtained wavers to do their fuel testing with the DRLs turned off. Anyway, the mere fact that a person will have to replace their bulbs more often in order to light up the daytime should be cause for thought, even if they don't care what impact their lights are having on others.

Actually, if anyone needs to have a car use its lights on during the day to see that car, then they should stop driving or get their eyes checked.

We are all easily distracted by lights that should not be there in the first place, it is not the fault of the other driver, only the person that adds to the visual pollution on the road. You know, it is the momentary glance that you eyes cannot help but do, that causes issues, it only takes a moment for another object to be an issue as you face these additional distractions.

That is just it, you did all that brainstorming and work on your car for aesthetics and a supposed safety factor, but you never considered the impact that your actions have on other drivers. Your DRLS are of no use in the daylight. DRLs are only for use at dusk or when the light is low and you don't need fog lights or anything brighter than a running light to accomplish that. You would have been better off with automatic headlights, as they would come on when your lights are actually needed.

I do respect that your opinions differ from mine and I only want to present additional perspectives. But, it should be very simple to understand that people can already see you fine during the day and you can always turn your lights off and on, so the rest of us would appreciate if you would just stop shining your fog lights at others during the day.

I don't care to argue, I am not claiming to be 100% right about all situations and I understand if I don't change your mind one bit. But, if by having this discussion we can understand different perspectives exist and that we need to be considerate to others, then I have done my job here.

Thanks for your time

Alperovich

honestly if u are getting distracted from lights. you shouldn't be driving. PERIOD.

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larfx

LOL, uh ok. I guess you never get distracted by anything? It happens to everyone, but I guess not you? To follow your analogy, no one should be driving.

Anyway, if you feel you need your lights on during the broad daylight, do not be surprised if others don't like it or just laugh at you . My best guess is that you and others are simply duped into thinking this is a safety feature or it looks "rad", but the facts don't bear that out .

Is it the mere fact that the rest of the world does not agree with you, is that what burns you so bad that you have to lash out?

Cheers

Smokinfastlegend

Larfx, i have to say your D reason is absolutely hilarious. To say this is like saying everyone at night is distracted by regular headlights. Being you only have 5 posts, and posted no physical evidence (no lawsuits or accident reports caused by DRL's), your position holds no water. All you keep posting is that other countries actually see accident rates increase, but where is the citation? I for one have a similar jdm setup. My JDM fogs are like DRL's, turn on and off with my ignition but i can turn them on and off too if i wanted to. Say what you want, but black is the hardest color car for people to see, with my piss yellow fogs on, it eliminates that fact. I have to say my JDM's saved me on several occasions.

After reading on wikipedia, the jury is still out on DRL lights, but its because of the implementation of said DRls. And also

BTW: nice install mr peacock

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sbx22

oh shiznit, i'm going to go do this mod! nice mod by the way.

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Thanks, Joey. After seeing your setup in May, I had to do it.

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MrPeacock72

Thanks, sbx. The DIY will be posted as soon as I get some time to write it up. That should be sometime this week.

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murderotica

You shoulda just recorded the video by yourself and then done a voice-over...
It looks good, but I'd be bummed about not being able to use my fogs are fogs...



...Are you serious?

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larfx

LOL, you really didn't put much thought into this, apparently.

First, go and find definitive proof that DRLs save lives and explain the real logic of having your lights on during the day, besides it making you look like you are in the "Fast and the Furious, Daytime Dummy Lights 4". I need you to shore up your argument. My perspective is dead simple, you can already see cars just fine without lights in the daytime, so in order to convince people to turn their lights on in perfectly good daylight, then you need to state your case as to why you want this to happen.

Thanks

larfx

Absolutely

NYCOWNSU

Okay, fine there are few reports that actually say that DRL's are beneficial.

http://dozealert.com/Drl_intro.htm

I found other's but didn't care to put it up, because it is a matter of personal preference. DRL's are not that bright in real world applications to be a problem. Maybe it's not that beneficial but so what. It is a nice mod on some cars...including the legend.

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