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If you're gonna buy or NOT buy HIDs and base your decision solely on these pics I just took this morning, you're better off looking elsewhere.

Either way, here are the pics I took this morning.
In a few of the pics, you can see how the beam of light is pointing CLEARLY down, but the signs up ahead / above, 50-100-150 feet away, are LIGHT UP, from the HIDs. This is by far my favorite part of the whole HID thing. :)

 
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It's not the camera's fault. If you guys know anything about photography you would know that when it's really dark outside the fstop needs to be decreased (whole that light comes through gets bigger, but harder to focus) and the shutterspeed decreased (so that more light can be absorved, but anything that moves during this time appears blury. That is why when back in the old days they always had to have people stand very still... get the picture? ;)

Anyways, that's a pretty good representation Jose of what the D2R bulbs look like. I have the D2S bulbs so my beam pattern is really messed up but I still have my lights pointing down and I know what you mean about the signs really lighting up :cool:. HID's truly are amazing... Here is a pic of my messed up beam pattern (I set everything manually so that I could get it to not look jittery).
 

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luvmylegend said:
Worst pics EVER!

sorry, Jose. What kind of camera do you have? just so I know not to get that one when I go to buy another one.
I got it free from my mom for Christmas.
It's like an Epson digicam that goes for like 150.

It doesnt really have any "manual shutter" settings.

So I'd hit the button and hold the camera for like 30 seconds (while driving, u can see how tough this is) and it clicked afterwards.

It sucked, but I mean, it's better than nothing.
I'm sorry I dont have the **** Olympus 3030 camera that goes for $600. I'm not a baller.
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Hahaha, it's all good dude. Mine's actually a Nikon Coolpix 995, great digi cam. I got it because I'm really into photography though. Anyways, I actually think that I stopped in the middle of the road to take that pic :). That makes it just a bit easier ;).
 

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It's not the camera's fault. If you guys know anything about photography you would know that when it's really dark outside the fstop needs to be decreased (whole that light comes through gets bigger, but harder to focus) and the shutterspeed decreased (so that more light can be absorved, but anything that moves during this time appears blury. That is why when back in the old days they always had to have people stand very still... get the picture? ;)

Anyways, that's a pretty good representation Jose of what the D2R bulbs look like. I have the D2S bulbs so my beam pattern is really messed up but I still have my lights pointing down and I know what you mean about the signs really lighting up :cool:. HID's truly are amazing... Here is a pic of my messed up beam pattern (I set everything manually so that I could get it to not look jittery).
The reason your beam pattern is messed up is not b/c you have d2s...It is b/c your D2S bulbs bases are not modified to 9006...All you have done is put OEM D2S bulbs in a 9006 required housing. All OEM HID reflectors use D2R, and all OEM HID projectors use D2S. Therefore, we need to have rebased 9006 D2 bulbs. It doesn't matter whether it is d2r or d2s, that isn't why your light is messed up. Your bulb isn't positioned correctly, therefore your light isn't being reflected correctly, b/c your base is not 9006....

And Joses HID's are 9006 based D2S. D2R's have a shield on the glass to reduce glare in OEM HID Reflector housings....See, here is a pic of two D2R bulbs...

 

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The reason your beam pattern is messed up is not b/c you have d2s...It is b/c your D2S bulbs bases are not modified to 9006...All you have done is put OEM D2S bulbs in a 9006 required housing. All OEM HID reflectors use D2R, and all OEM HID projectors use D2S. Therefore, we need to have rebased 9006 D2 bulbs. It doesn't matter whether it is d2r or d2s, that isn't why your light is messed up. Your bulb isn't positioned correctly, therefore your light isn't being reflected correctly, b/c your base is not 9006....

And Joses HID's are 9006 based D2S. D2R's have a shield on the glass to reduce glare in OEM HID Reflector housings....See, here is a pic of two D2R bulbs...

Wait a minute, I thought autolamps sells D2R 9006, and that's what Jose has.
 

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Wait a minute, I thought autolamps sells D2R 9006, and that's what Jose has.
That's what i have.
Matt, however, thinks he's right. (he probably is, but we're likely dealing with corrected vs. uncorrected d2s bulbs (he's dealt w/ a lot of HID vendors, so he must know what he's talking about).

I trust in Autolamps' expertise however, and I did get the right bulbs for my 9006 application.

-Jose
 

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The reason your beam pattern is messed up is not b/c you have d2s...It is b/c your D2S bulbs bases are not modified to 9006...All you have done is put OEM D2S bulbs in a 9006 required housing. All OEM HID reflectors use D2R, and all OEM HID projectors use D2S. Therefore, we need to have rebased 9006 D2 bulbs. It doesn't matter whether it is d2r or d2s, that isn't why your light is messed up. Your bulb isn't positioned correctly, therefore your light isn't being reflected correctly, b/c your base is not 9006....

And Joses HID's are 9006 based D2S. D2R's have a shield on the glass to reduce glare in OEM HID Reflector housings....See, here is a pic of two D2R bulbs...

I have to agree. While my D2S HID capules are modified for 9006, it is NOT modified the simple way like the masses out there. The modified D2S tht I have on my kits were done for XenonLamps Co. (No longer in the business of HID lighting) buy a professional HID fabricator with access to OEM HID fabrication equipment and made to stricter tolorances. What the end up doing is virually moving the enire gas pockets possition in the correct place not by varying the base thickness, but by actually refabricating the possition of the glass within the base itself. Now, don't quote me on this, as this is just my understanding of the process, so there could be much more involved things, or I could have just misunderstood. But eitherway, what ends up happening is the gas pocket is in the exact same possition as a halogen bulb should be. Anyway, my D2S beam pattern looks nothing like SpeedDemons, but simple look like a very bright 9006 halogen bulb beam pattern. While I'm not saying it is the best, as the OEM 9006 Legend optics suck and produces a crappy beam pattern with hot spotting to begin with, at least the HID coversion is an exact replica. For those who don't believe me that the 9006 optics on the Legend is crappy and responsible for the hotspotting, I've done experiments on 3 different Legend Coupe headlights, and all 3 show the same pattern when viewed in extreme darkness, especially of you have a 9005 coversion that offers more light output. Also, the glass diffuser in front of the USDM optics is responsible for much of the funny beam pattern scatter as well, as I have used the USDM 9006 optics behind the JDM glass diffuser with a very different beam pattern and light scatter.

Unfortunately, for the 9006 Legend optics, we really have no best conversion when it comes to D2S or D2R. We don't have a true projection, but we don't have have a reflector cap like the newer 9006 optics found in say the Accord and other cars and newer Civics and such. But, I still the believe that the D2S in proper beam pattern correction offers the best results for the USDM optics. As far as the JDM and EDM, I can't say right now, but I'll have a better understanding of the EDM soon. I'm getting new HID capsules from my old source for the EDM within a month or so. Sorry guys, but my source that I listed above is no longet in the retail business, so I can only get them as a favor basis on a special order only.

Here is a picture I just snapped to try and show the relationship between the HID gas pocker and the halogen filament possition. It is not the best picture though. Also, one of the frist things I was told when doing my conversion a few years ago was that an improperly corrected or uncorrected HID coversion's beam pattern would be almost like a W, or with 4 distinct beam/fingers of light. I think from SpeedDemons picture that still holds true today.

 

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The reason your beam pattern is messed up is not b/c you have d2s...It is b/c your D2S bulbs bases are not modified to 9006...All you have done is put OEM D2S bulbs in a 9006 required housing. All OEM HID reflectors use D2R, and all OEM HID projectors use D2S. Therefore, we need to have rebased 9006 D2 bulbs. It doesn't matter whether it is d2r or d2s, that isn't why your light is messed up. Your bulb isn't positioned correctly, therefore your light isn't being reflected correctly, b/c your base is not 9006....

And Joses HID's are 9006 based D2S. D2R's have a shield on the glass to reduce glare in OEM HID Reflector housings....See, here is a pic of two D2R bulbs...

Since JDM uses H4H bulbs with the H4H base, I sent an email auto-lamps to see if they make an hid kit for jdm housings (anyone know someone who sells hid for jdm housings?). So far, no reply yet.

Chris, what do you think about the glass piece being removed from the jdm headlight but instead use d2r bulbs? Do you think it might have a solid beam? I doubt it, but I don't know the real answer yet.

Matt, I've still got the projectors and I'm still debating on whether I should put them into the jdm housings. Maybe I should just stop everything I'm doing and wait until I get my bimmer after college. :eek:
 

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Since JDM uses H4H bulbs with the H4H base, I sent an email auto-lamps to see if they make an hid kit for jdm housings (anyone know someone who sells hid for jdm housings?). So far, no reply yet.

Chris, what do you think about the glass piece being removed from the jdm headlight but instead use d2r bulbs? Do you think it might have a solid beam? I doubt it, but I don't know the real answer yet.

Matt, I've still got the projectors and I'm still debating on whether I should put them into the jdm housings. Maybe I should just stop everything I'm doing and wait until I get my bimmer after college. :eek:
That inner glass piece is "fluted". It is what creates the beam pattern...So if you did that it wouldn't work...Their is nothing special about D2R bulbs! I had to get my glass cut so I could mount the projectors...If I mounted the projectors behind the glass, the beam pattern would be messed up...

Autolamps is suppose to already be working on developing an H4H kit.... Check this thread... http://www.acura-legend.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=409&highlight=autolampsonline
 

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My beam pattern is exactly how ChrisK described. Looks like OEM lights, but much brighter. I have aimed the lights down a bit. This is using 9006 D2S 6K Bulbs.

I saw a nicely fixed up champagne Legend sedan last time I was driving in Chicago. I'm pretty sure he had HIDs. His beam pattern was pretty good. Not super sharp like BMW projectors, but pretty much like the new TL/RLs.

The optics on the USDM lights suck. Even my Accord has a lot better cutoff and beam pattern.
 
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