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WalMart! Dex is a very common fluid they should have 3-5 different brands... Probaly at least one cheap one. Since Dex II/III is a standard, any fluid that passes the "certification" should be fine. Are you using it for the 4x Tranny Flush? If so any brand will be ok since it won't spend a long time in the tranny anyway...

Not an expert, just my take...
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Ben,

Yes I am doing the 4x tranny flush.
Im trying to find the smart blend solution now.
 

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i've read the 4x tranny flush before but didn't save it and now i can't find it. can anyone tell me exactly what this is and also how it helps
thanx a lot
 

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I bit the bullet myself and ordered 3 extra bottles of the SmartBlend from their website. If you want to split the cost of shipping, I'll send them up to the NY Bear Mtn. meet to be sold there for $10/bottle if you know anyone coming from the DC area (can't make it myself). Jose3030's coming, isn't he?
 

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Oh, and I've got a couple gallon containers of Trak Auto brand Dexron I need to get rid of. I assembled all the stuff for the 4X flush and ended up having someone with a machine flush it for me so this is all brand new surplus.
 

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4X Transmission Fluid Flush

From the technical forum here is reprint from Gil who is very knowledgeable in Legend tranny rebuilds:

First of all, props to Dave C for some great insight and valuable advice. This could save you countless broken knuckles as well as costly repair bills to both car and driver. His specs are right on the money as well, and the advice to stick with Genuine Honda fluid is another solid choice from my/our point of view. Of course there are many snake oil options to choose from depending on who you talk to.

As for answering your question regarding the fluid change I think we can elaborate on that subject a lot further. I am assuming that you are not using a power flush system and are doing this in your driveway. As Dave said and he is correct that when you pull the plug on the pan you will drain 3.5 quarts of ATF out of your tranny . What he did not tell you is that there is anywhere from 4.2 to up to 5.7 quarts of dirty fluid left inside your transmission, cooler, cooler lines, and torque converter. Complete full fluid level is 9.2 quarts at full and as low as 7.7 at the low end of specifications.

If you really want to do the job right and in a way that is most cost efficient then this is what we recommend you do. Hold on to that new drain washer for the time being and

1. Drain the fluid and add 3.5 quarts of "F" type fluid. F-fluid (ATF) is what is used in Ford transmissions. It has a very high detergent base to it that is designed to clean the internal parts and to break down varnish build up.

2. Drive the car around for several miles and then drain it again. I do not recommend that you leave the F-type fluid in the car for an extended time. Now having drained the fluid,

3. Refill the unit with 3.5 qts. of Dexron II or III and again drive the car around for a few miles working the Dexron in. While you are doing this what you are actually doing is diluting the F-type fluid and flushing the dirty fluid out of the converter at the same time. Return to the driveway and dump the fluid again and

4. Repeat the Dexron process again. Now, having returned once again , You now dump one last time. At this point what little F-type fluid that was left has been drastically diluted and the majority of what you have left is Dexron.

5. Now fill the tranny up with Genuine Honda ATF . Honda fluid has a high silicone base to it and that is what will keep your tranny shifting smooth. You now have 3.5 quarts of Honda fluid mixed in with about 5 qts. of Dexron mixed with .5 qts. of F type fluid. Not enough to hurt a thing.

6. Now to even things out and bring us all back to basic Honda fluid, get a bottle of a product called "Smart Blend". It's made by a company called "Life Products". Be sure to get the black bottle as it is specially designed to convert Dexron over to Honda fluid. This is a product that we endorse, and use it in all our transmissions throughout the building process. If you can't find it then try Lube Guard, and again use the black bottle. Both products have red bottles and I think also a blue one, too. Pour one full bottle into the tranny and you're set. "Smart Blend" reduces operating temps and it is a friction modifier that will reduce clutch pack chatter as well as help with converter lock up. Now the reason you start with the F type fluid is to clean . Then you use Dexron to dilute the F-type (Ford) and besides to dump that much Honda fluid just to flush would be a sin, not to mention costly as all get up.

Total stuff needed .
1 Bottle of Smart Blend ( Black Bottle) approx. cost $5.00-$7.00
4 quarts of "F" type Trans. fluid
7 quarts of Dexron fluid
4 quarts of Genuine Honda fluid

and the time to play with your car.......
Hope this was helpful, best wishes.........Gil
 

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I saw that whiplash9001 is coming up from Baltimore but I don't know if I'm getting up there before the meet, so jose3030 may be my best bet. So that means 2 more SmartBlend bottles left - any other takers?
 

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sfearing,


how many miles have you gone since doing your tranny flush? i've been reading bad things about doing tranny flushes and im sorta second guessing myself now, don't know if i wanna do this 4x tranny flush using F-type fluids. Might just do a drain and fill.....
 

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It's been about 1500 miles. I would recommend doing it even if you skip the F-type and use just Dexron. I did the math and if you do it 4X with either fluid you will have under 10% of the original fluid left in there. Drain and fill leaves you with about 2/3 old fluid.

The difference is pretty dramatic. I had a car that shifted so hard from 1st to 2nd that it could best be described as a slam rather than a shift. That is gone now and the shift is almost imperceptible. I don't know about the guy who "lost" a gear from a Jiffy Lube flush. Stay away from that and do it yourself. I actually used Penske Auto center in a K-Mart near us that I trust because they did a good flush on a van I owned.
 

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ok sounds good to me, let me know if you can hand over hte smart blend to jose !


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How bout Hondas..?

I also got a 93 Accord that shifts hard..do you guys think the 4x tranny flush will work for this...if YES...how many of each should i get...??
 
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