[94legendcpe]

Today was learning experience ..... I woke and decided to do a 3.5 swap today? Now who wakes and just says Ill do a 3.5 swap to day..me I was board! Besides the point just wanted to say that not only am I going to have a 300 hp power legend Im going to be the first to have a 300 hp 3.2 and 300 hp 3.5 in the same legend! But wait theres more I have have pictures for you yea i said you skeptical people!

I have to admit I was quite displeased to not see a pic of your foot in either of these pictures...

 

[nocashrider]

so yall are sayin that the hybrid 3.5 block with the 3.2 type II head is the best bang for performance so if that so how much would it be to build that minus having someone install it because that would be something i could do myself
o yea and man i wish my junk yards were givin motors away for under 500 they wanted like 2g for a regular non vtec integra motor i told em there out of their minds

 

[uPnoRthACme]

so yall are sayin that the hybrid 3.5 block with the 3.2 type II head is the best bang for performance so if that so how much would it be to build that minus having someone install it

All depends on the source you purchase from.

Junk yards:
3.5 motor $300-500
Type II heads & Cams: $150-200
Type II I.Manifold: $25-75
Head gaskets OEM: $200
I.Manifold gaskets OEM: $75
3.5/3.2 custom mount: $50-100 for the mount plus welding
Ecu, Reflashed by Telion $75 plus cost of ecu.
Timing belt/water pump: buy new. Ebay: $100-125
Spark plugs: $$ Depends on what you run.

Total $975-1,350 No labor charges.

 

[gsdreams]

All depends on the source you purchase from.

Junk yards:
3.5 motor $300-500
Type II heads & Cams: $150-200
Type II I.Manifold: $25-75
Head gaskets OEM: $200
I.Manifold gaskets OEM: $75
3.5/3.2 custom mount: $50-100 for the mount plus welding
Ecu, Reflashed by Telion $75 plus cost of ecu.
Timing belt/water pump: buy new. Ebay: $100-125
Spark plugs: $$ Depends on what you run.

Total $975-1,350 No labor charges.

It's my understanding (from multiple threads here) that the Type II intake manifold will not stock fit on a 3.5L with Type II heads. It has to be modified because the width is to much.

 

[uPnoRthACme]

It's my understanding (from multiple threads here) that the Type II intake manifold will not stock fit on a 3.5L with Type II heads. It has to be modified because the width is to much.

Correct Gs.

The type II heads are taller than the 3.5's. So naturally, when bolted to the block they are in correspondance to a V shape. The taller the heads, the wider the gap in between. The manifold will need to be redrilled or notched? at the mounting points to bolt up properly.

 

[Telion]

Your understanding is correct but if you can swing it do it if not just go with the RL heads and TII intake manifold, cams (regrinds preferrably), TII springs (yes they work) and FPR. then your setup should ge solid throught "the curve." and run to a higher RPM without the stress that the RL engine alone experiences. And if there is any doubt about that find the video of my car running to 7200, there is no lag time and this was pre camgrind, and pre aluminum crank pulley

 

[sr5guy]

Sorry bentley along with all the other 3.5 cheerleaders. But ignorance is evident amongst you all.

Have you not realized that the fastest legend as of now is Erics 3.2. I know the weather was in his favor, and he wasn't running with full interior but the weight of his car compared to dv8's is pretty close in race form.

Keep in mind, the top end of the type 2 is better than the 3.5 hence the reason dv8's has the same hp output and is running a type2/3.5 hybrid. It will alway's have more torque, we all know that. But, without the type 2 top end, the high rpm hp will not be there and the blend of hp/tq as sr5 stated will not be as uniform.

Not only does Eric have less displacement, but he also has a few mods of lesser quality than dv8's 3.5 hybrid.
Dv8's 3.5/ 233.7 Whp, 229.0 Tq : custom headers, aem ems, injectors, short shifter. I'm not sure of the port/polish quality of both, so I cannot contest that. But I'm sure there are differences, for better or worse, I'm not sure.
Eric's 3.2/ 230.4 Whp, 203.9 Tq: Obx headers, Sr5 chip/aem safc, stock shifter, stock injectors,

Sorry, unpnorthacme, but not everyone is building a racecar. The difference in the power curve of a stock 3.5, especiallly a semi-hybrid type II, leads to a very enjoyable daily driver. My old-time chevy head boss compared it to swapping in a small block 350. In fact, just as many people that are swapping for performance enhancements are swapping for the lower mileage and better perceived reliability of the 3.5.

If you are building an all out high revving race, car then yes the 3.2 is a much better motor simply because of the high RPM sustainability of the block and heads.

Lets not start this argument unless there is something to argue about. Your criticisms are not constructive at this point because theres only two 3.5 dynos on this board to compare to, DV8 and Mike Diaz. In my opinion, DV8 is on another plane making it hard to compare to anyone elses setup, and (sorry Mike :hide Mike's dyno is kind of crappy. I'm opening myself up here because I was supposed to dyno my car but shit happens and I didn't get around to it before I sold it, what can I say other than I'm sorry?

-Matt

 

[uPnoRthACme]

Sorry, unpnorthacme, but not everyone is building a racecar. The difference in the power curve of a 3.5, especiallly a semi-hybrid type II, leads to a very enjoyable daily driver. My old-time boss compared it to swapping in a small block 350. In fact, just as many people that are swapping for performance enhancements are swapping for the lower mileage and better perceived reliability of the 3.5.

If you are building an all out high revving race, car then yes the 3.2 is a much better motor simply because of the high RPM sustainability of the block and heads.

Lets not start this argument unless there is something to argue about. Your criticisms are not constructive at this point because theres only two 3.5 dynos on this board to compare to, DV8 and Mike Diaz. In my opinion, DV8 is on another plane making it hard to compare to anyone elses setup, and (sorry Mike :hide Mike's dyno is kind of crappy.

-Matt

I totally agree with you matt. If you're not building it for racing, than yes the 3.5 is the way to go.

Fun to drive with the extra torque along with better gas mileage using the low rpm torque to cart around town, especially with a manual. And the reliability is another factor although I have never had a blown headgasket with any of my 3.2's.... 4 to be exact.

There aren't any arguments to be had on this topic. We are on the same page here it seems.

I was pointing this out to bently on dubs since he feels the need to talk shit about the 3.2 at every point possible since he is performing the 3.5 swap and thinks it is superior to the 3.2 in terms of power.

 

[Team LR]

i dnt know what the big fuss is, its been said by almost everyone who has done the 3.5 swap that it is worth it so y are people just not accepting it, yea mayb you can rev the 3.2 higher but thats just more stress on parts and even more chances of something going wrong y not have the little more displacement to make up for having to beat the hell out of your motor redlining it

 

[uPnoRthACme]

i dnt know what the big fuss is, its been said by almost everyone who has done the 3.5 swap that it is worth it so y are people just not accepting it, yea mayb you can rev the 3.2 higher but thats just more stress on parts and even more chances of something going wrong y not have the little more displacement to make up for having to beat the hell out of your motor redlining it

Because it's not beating the hell out of it. That motor is designed for higher revs and will take it all year long along with the next year and the next.

I accept that it's worth it for a DD, but not as a better alternative for a racing set up since half the motor would be type II anyway.

This topic is beat to the fullest. I'm out.

 

[sr5guy]

I was pointing this out to bently on dubs since he feels the need to talk shit about the 3.2 at every point possible since he is performing the 3.5 swap and thinks it is superior to the 3.2 in terms of power.

I will join you on the Bentley On Dubs bashing, I can't stand that kid - hes having some asshole up in CT do his swap - but lets refrain from the 3.5 bashing, at least till we have a dyno to bash :duck: :hide:

-Matt

 

[CDUBB1]

I will join you on the Bentley On Dubs bashing, I can't stand that kid - hes having some asshole up in CT do his swap - but lets refrain from the 3.5 bashing, at least till we have a dyno to bash :duck: :hide:

-Matt

lol

 

[Team LR]

Your understanding is correct but if you can swing it do it if not just go with the RL heads and TII intake manifold, cams (regrinds preferrably), TII springs (yes they work) and FPR. then your setup should ge solid throught "the curve." and run to a higher RPM without the stress that the RL engine alone experiences. And if there is any doubt about that find the video of my car running to 7200, there is no lag time and this was pre camgrind, and pre aluminum crank pulley

u got a link to dat vid

hes having some asshole up in CT do his swap

-Matt

hey im doin his swap:nutkick:

 

[The Crowing]

YEAH!? Well, I swapped in a LS VTEC motor. WE RUN ALL MOTA! I have like, 500 WHP so :bootyshak

 

[91LS 3.5]

I will join you on the Bentley On Dubs bashing, I can't stand that kid - hes having some asshole up in CT do his swap - but lets refrain from the 3.5 bashing, at least till we have a dyno to bash :duck: :hide:

-Matt

Better to have that asshole do the swap than the asshole who blew his motor on the dyno, huh? :bootyshak :sadwavey:

 

[uPnoRthACme]

YEAH!? Well, I swapped in a LS VTEC motor. WE RUN ALL MOTA! I have like, 500 WHP so :bootyshak

ALL MOTA GUY!
Ahguy, dude a u like da wickedest bub day'a O sumptin?
Well, I put a 2jz in the trunk, with a turbo'd suppa chaaaged k20 on the roof cause thats like the best spot evva, and a rb26 under the hood with max dufalattas, dual hollypoppa's, and freekin flinstone in the passenger seat.

Do you know what that makes.... Not Haaaus Powwa. Yeeeah, ya know, a... ya know, uuuhm, hmmmm, oh yeah. Well, I couldn't tell you, I'd have to kill you.

 

[Dv8]

Sorry bentley along with all the other 3.5 cheerleaders. But ignorance is evident amongst you all.

Have you not realized that the fastest legend as of now is Erics 3.2. I know the weather was in his favor, and he wasn't running with full interior but the weight of his car compared to dv8's is pretty close in race form.

Keep in mind, the top end of the type 2 is better than the 3.5 hence the reason dv8's has the same hp output and is running a type2/3.5 hybrid. It will alway's have more torque, we all know that. But, without the type 2 top end, the high rpm hp will not be there and the blend of hp/tq as sr5 stated will not be as uniform.

Not only does Eric have less displacement, but he also has a few mods of lesser quality than dv8's 3.5 hybrid.
Dv8's 3.5/ 233.7 Whp, 229.0 Tq : custom headers, aem ems, injectors, short shifter. I'm not sure of the port/polish quality of both, so I cannot contest that. But I'm sure there are differences, for better or worse, I'm not sure.
Eric's 3.2/ 230.4 Whp, 203.9 Tq: Obx headers, Sr5 chip/aem safc, stock shifter, stock injectors,

Whoa, homie, I know where your getting all this from. Peak numbers, show Eric and I with essentially the same peak whp, my tq is a good deal higher. He also most recently edged my N/A 1/4 mile out with a better 13.7. with my track prepped slicks i sold him.
I can see perception is reality for most here, it isn't, however.

Taking nothing away from Eric, my Legends track weight & my most recent track temp temperature play huge parts as 1/4 mile goes, which you already know.

Take a good look at this dyno which youve seen before look at TQ and HP between 3.5k-6.3k.
Eric and me:

Granted i have a couple mods on him, nothing drastic under N/A- he would probably gain additional whp but, at the expense of TQ(speculation).

Again taking nothing away from Eric, I can almost guarantee a manual 3.5 is much more fun to drive given all the lowend it has. I would have to get a ride in his Legend before I made that 100%. He's been in mine.

I have no issues getting together with Eric and doing a 1/4 mile and 0-120MPH on camera somewhere to see where I pull and where he pulls. I have 2 cameras, all we need is another two to get every angle. That would be a good evaluation of a built 3.2 vs a built 3.5 both N/A. I only have a few weeks left before it wont be N/A anymore and I lost some midrange power from the bigger manifold I can only suspect. We would run full interior, street tires, (I could let him borrow my back 245 45 17 falken's if they fit.) Everything else standard/equal setup.

A 3.5 is more reliable, better built from the factory and has much more fun driving TQ. The WHP can be had failry close with the edge to the c32. The c35 is the all around the better choice when weighting all options in a Legend Chassis. 3.5 F/I will destroy any c32 out there in a Legend chassis as well. TQ drives HP.

~Dv8

Horsepower shmorsepower.... its all about the curve

-Matt

 

[Jimbob22]

3.2/5 Hybrid?

 

[Artillery129]

^ i'm excited to see some F/I

 

[Forevralegend]

haha i knew those dyno graphs would pop up sooner then later why dont you just go hit up the track again before you go FI that way you'll have some official times. Ill most likely want to join in on the fun too, we could have another drag day :yumyum: