[G1N00b]

Do legends have the same chassis and powertrain as the Accord? I don't think Honda made a 2-door accord back in G1 Legend era, but I used to have a 88 4 banger accord sedan, and I notice a lot of similarities to my 89 L coupe. Do they share any common parts? I think the Integra was basically a Honda Civic with a different body, is the same true with the Legend/Accord?

Also, I was wondering about the current models- is the CL built on the Accord platform? They look kinda similar. What about the RL- is that the "G4" Legend or a clean sheet design?

I was also wondering about the Vigor- was that model supposed to replace the Legend, or was it the precursor to the CL/TL? Was that built on the Accord platform?

 

[LegendGS]

The Legend and Accord haven't shared much, if anything at all.

I do understand the CL to have been built on the Accord platform

As to the question about the RL being the G4 Legend or clean sheet design, the answer is "yes", but it's the G3.

The Vigor was around while the Legend was, so no, it wasn't meant to replace the Legend, but could be seen as the the predecessor of the TL as far as Acura hierarchy goes.

 

[G1N00b]

Makes sense, I guess the Legend and RL are "full size" cars, whereas the Vigor/CL/TL are midsize cars sharing the same basic Accord platform. Too bad there's no such thing as a 6 speed RL! I think big cars with manual transmissions are the bomb; M/T's are common on compacts, not as common on midsize coupes (almost unheard of on midsize sedans), and extremely rare on full size cars; I guess the Legend was the last of that breed. (maybe Mercedes or BMW makes a fullsize car with a manual, but probably not for the US market, and who cares anyway, I would never buy a euro car- too expensive and unreliable compared to japanese)

And come to think of it, I don't think there was such a thing as a V-6 accord back in the late 80's, so my Legend powertrain isn't from an accord. Was there such a thing as an accord coupe back then? I know they made an awful looking accord 2-dr hatchback...

The reason I thought my Legend might be built on an accord chassis is that the dash looks awfully similar. It's been a while since I had my old accord, so I can't remember if the physical dimensions were similar.

 

[pyros88legendcoupe]

the mid 90s accord. 95-97 ?? is based on the Legend. and shares a near identical frame i think. the motor is mounted different and has a slightly different exhaust makeing 10 more hp. still a 2.7L.

 

[vince]

the mid 90s accord. 95-97 ?? is based on the Legend. and shares a near identical frame i think. the motor is mounted different and has a slightly different exhaust makeing 10 more hp. still a 2.7L.

No, it isn't. They are different in dimensions, the only thing in common is the engine (and even that was mostly different). The motor is mounted the same direction as it was in the Legend.

 

[LegendGS]

Makes sense, I guess the Legend and RL are "full size" cars, whereas the Vigor/CL/TL are midsize cars sharing the same basic Accord platform.

The relationship between the Legend and the RL (technically) is much closer than just being full sized.

The RL is in fact still the "Legend" in all parts of the world but North America.

 

[pyros88legendcoupe]

thanks for clearing that one up vince. i wasnt to sure. thats why i said i think. i know it does share a few dimensions. like the gauge mounts on between the windows i heard. is that true. or am i thinking of a different generation of accords. The accords i see here the EXR-1 look identical to our cars. they even come with the smae visor on top.

 

[Jimnerf]

pfft... i think only in the u.s. there would be an upscale and a regular class of cars.. acura/honda... lexus/toyota.. infiniti/nissan.. audi/volkswagen. haha. so with that in mind.. most of the upscale badges are very much tweaked luxury/performance editions of the original stuff..

but back on topic, i thought the RL was in replacement to the legend sedan, and the CL/TL was replacements of the legend/vigor coupes.. especially since there was a gap in production between the legend/vigor and the RL/CL/TL.

 

[LegendGS]

Well, the Legend, both sedan and coupe is/was classified as luxury cars, while the CL/TL is classified as near-luxury. So, the CL is technically not in the same class as the Legend coupe.

It would be easier to view it as them having stopped the production of a luxury coupe, and introduced one in the near-luxury class.

Also, other than the Acura brand name, all other luxury names do exist in other parts of the world, and most flagship vehicles of the Luxury names are designed independent of exisiting platforms.

 

[wsgnst]

Does Lexus and Infiniti exist in Japan?

I know that in Japan the Infiniti G20 and the Lexus IS300 are the Nissan Primera and Toyota Altezza. So I was wondering if those brands exist in theri home countries. Although i do know that Lexus exists in Europe as well. I'm looking forward to the Japanese Accord coming to the USA as the Acura TSX. Looks pretty sweet. Hopefully it will be be a IS300 killer.

 

[blitzspeed]

Ok, so I'll ask this here... I have an '88 coupe. I actually came here looking for some info on the similarities between the Legend and the accord. Here is why; I'm looking at a kit car, that requires a 90-96 (preferably 90-93, which are all 4cyl unfortunately) accord as the donor car, to supply the drive train, electronics and various other sundries, which are then mounted to a custom built chassis/body.

Being that I have the Legend, and I see many similarities, I was trying to find info on whether I could use it as the donor in place of the Accord. Basically what I need to know most of all, is whether the engine/trans, and front suspension mounts up the same or close. I did find that the later v6 accords used the c27a, so I figured it might work with some minor mods. But since this is a ground up build, that wouldn't necessarily scare me off. I would appreciate anyone that could shed some direct light on these particular issues. Sorry for being wordy in my first post, and thanks!

 

[mad_bishop]

There were *three* body styles for the 3G Accord (all with the same engine AFAIK) the 2dr hatch, 2dr coupe (rare, but the best looking of the three) and the 4dr sedan. The 2dr coupe is very remenicent of the legend coupe. but obviously share next to nothing in parts.

Also, the one thing I am confused about as far as the relationship between the V6 5G accords, and our legends, is whether or not they share the same auto tranny. I know the engines are in the same family (based upon similar blocks) but do they share the same tranny? i had at one time posted a link to a page that explained and mapped our trannys and referenced the V6 accords, but now I cannot find it.

 

[vince]

The Accord V6 used a "revised" Legend tranny, according to Car and Driver.

 

[blitzspeed]

I'm not sure what the generational years for the accord are, but the years I'm interested in are the mid 90's (94-96 I think) that had the v6 optional. From 90-93, they only had a 4cyl. Later there was a v6 optional, and they used the C27A. From what I can find, it has the same power numbers as the G1 Legend C27A, so I'm thinking it's the same mill. I think maybe they had some laying around, or still had the castings, and wanted to put a v6 in to warm over that gen of Accord a few years before they were scheduled for a redesign.

Now like I said, the kit I'm looking at uses the 90-93 4cyl accord as the parts donor. I have no problem picking up a cheap accord to supply the basic parts that it needs, but i would like something a little more than a 4 banger accord mill. Some people are planning to do the prelude engine swap, because it has a strong after market. But I'm not looking for a drag style car. I want to build something that, like my Legend, will accelerate well, and still cruise at 100+ all day long. Based on the idea that they later installed a C27A motor in that car, I'm guessing (hoping) that it wouldn't be too difficult to hook up a Legend C27A to the same pickup points as the accord would use.

What it boils down to is this; I need to find out how close the front suspension, and engine/trans mounts are between the G1 Legend and the 94-96 V6 Accord. Then I need to compare the v6 Accord susp./eng/trans mounts to the I4 mounts. If they're close I think it will work. But I may just have to buy a totalled out V6 Accord, and go that route. If anyone comes across any info that would help me, please pass it on. If I find anything, I'll pass it on. And if I get the project going, I'll post what I learn and picks on the project.

 

[vince]

In order to get the C27A to fit, Honda had to lengthen the front fenders and raise the hood. So, my guess would be you can't fit a V6 in a four cylinder Accord.

 

[blitzspeed]

Thanks Vince. But on this project, space won't be an issue, remember, this is all about power for a hand built car. The motor from the donor mounts into a custom built tube frame, which the manufacturer claims to have room to fit a V8. But the engine/trans/susp mounts on the new chassis are setup for the accord 4 drive train, it uses the factory struts, engine and trans crossmembers and all . So basically, I know there will be room for the 6, I just need to figure out how well the c27's engine/trans mounts will lign up with the accord 4's. Fabbing stuff won't be that big of a problem, I was just kind of hoping everything would bolt right in. And as this appears to be something no one, anywhere has tried, it may still work out for me. But if nothing else works, I'll just pick up a wrecked C27A accord and use it.

I was just thinking that since I had the V6 in the legend, and the auto tranny is going bad... I could pull the motor, swap on a 5 speed, drop it in the new chassis, add the tubo kit ala Gold Rush, and away I go with 240 horse pushing 1800lbs.

 

[Texan1983]

just wondering, but what kit car are you doing?

 

[blitzspeed]

It's the new "Attack" kit from K1 Styling. It used a 90-96 Accord as a donor for the drivetrain, windshield, and a bunch of other misc. parts. It takes the Accord drivetrain, and moves it to the back of the car, making it a mid-engine, rear-drive sports car. You can see it here, at the website of the US importer, Euroworks.

http://www.euroworksltd.com/Attack/Attack-IT.htm

I was going to build a Lotus 7 style car, but now I think I'm going to go with this car next. Tell me what you guys think.

 

[Texan1983]

thats cool looking, you want a wrecked 93 accord ex as a donor car? it has a 160hp 2.2L 4cly.

 

[katonk]

Ok, so I'll ask this here... I have an '88 coupe. I actually came here looking for some info on the similarities between the Legend and the accord. Here is why; I'm looking at a kit car, that requires a 90-96 (preferably 90-93, which are all 4cyl unfortunately) accord as the donor car, to supply the drive train, electronics and various other sundries, which are then mounted to a custom built chassis/body.

This kit car you looking at.... any chance that its an Attack ?