to be safe id start all over with timing as you DO NOT WANT THE PISTON TO SMACK THE VALVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
left cam moved while putting the timing belt back on while doing the water pump.
Im stuck with the left cam not on TDC it moved counter clockwise six spaces. Should i turn the center and the right sproket six spaces back also or how do i move it back on top? 91 Legend. Has anyone got a clue?
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When i was installing the belt i should of had someone hold the cam or should used a wrench. I used the holder tool on the crank and had a fun time but i finally got it. The chain wrench on the right sprocket. i told myself to install a different but same thread and length screew, just with a longer head, so i wouldn't have to mess with the driver side sprocket next time but i didn't . Everything was Kosher until the left cam moved past the mark and i was going counter clock wise. It got going and kept goin six notches counter clock wise. I'm going to try and keep turning crank slowly till i can get the sprocket to turn. i lined up the TDC but its already stuck. Then tried 15 past TDC still nada. Now the right cam also doesn't want to turn. i guess i need to remove the rocker arms set the chain wrench to keep it from turning and line up the cams, then the crank. I guess something like that. Im trying to work smart but people tell me i got an "A" for effort but im just trying to find my way.. i should of been more careful. One more thing i remember, i tuned the the engine one whole turn clock wise because i heard thats how i should be turned trying to line up TDC. So when finished i just count five turns checking T marks. So i have several marks first set would line up after five turns and the other marks would line up afther six turns, I didn't get them confused, i made, when i finally got the belt off. . If it was not on #1 top because i had turned it once what equation or math sould i use to guess now how many degree i need to put the crank in to be able to move the top sprockets. the crank turns easy almost all the way in each direction but i really haven't forced anything. I think i tried 15 & 30. If i had turned it once clock wise before removing the belt should i divide the number of degrees by six or how do i figure out where on what degrees now or shouldn't matter? or just try and remove the rocker arms. Tierd of working hard need to work smart. Cant eat cant sleep just want to save my car that's everything to me.
I'm not even going to lie you confused the hell out of me. I did the TB/WP replacement on my 91 coupe and it skipped about the same amount of teeth as I was in the job and yes I freaked out too but simply moving it back to the mark was sufficient. I didn't even use any equations. lol. (just messing with you) but your turning the crankshaft with the TB off, I don't know about that. I hope you get it. If I can help with how I did it I am here. I did it all by myself too. :werd:When i was installing the belt i should of had someone hold the cam or should used a wrench. I used the holder tool on the crank and had a fun time but i finally got it. The chain wrench on the right sprocket. i told myself to install a different but same thread and length screew, just with a longer head, so i wouldn't have to mess with the driver side sprocket next time but i didn't . Everything was Kosher until the left cam moved past the mark and i was going counter clock wise. It got going and kept goin six notches counter clock wise. I'm going to try and keep turning crank slowly till i can get the sprocket to turn. i lined up the TDC but its already stuck. Then tried 15 past TDC still nada. Now the right cam also doesn't want to turn. i guess i need to remove the rocker arms set the chain wrench to keep it from turning and line up the cams, then the crank. I guess something like that. Im trying to work smart but people tell me i got an "A" for effort but im just trying to find my way.. i should of been more careful. One more thing i remember, i tuned the the engine one whole turn clock wise because i heard thats how i should be turned trying to line up TDC. So when finished i just count five turns checking T marks. So i have several marks first set would line up after five turns and the other marks would line up afther six turns, I didn't get them confused, i made, when i finally got the belt off. . If it was not on #1 top because i had turned it once what equation or math sould i use to guess now how many degree i need to put the crank in to be able to move the top sprockets. the crank turns easy almost all the way in each direction but i really haven't forced anything. I think i tried 15 & 30. If i had turned it once clock wise before removing the belt should i divide the number of degrees by six or how do i figure out where on what degrees now or shouldn't matter? or just try and remove the rocker arms. Tierd of working hard need to work smart. Cant eat cant sleep just want to save my car that's everything to me.
Thanks i believe i read your post about a head gasket job that had the left cam off right . I probably would do that if i hadn't been tuning it in every degree possible only to no avail. Did you bend your valves or was it the mechanic? Cant really be sure that's why i rather learn it once and do it my self from then on. I'm a little worried because now its like eight teeth off. I think i can follow the online manual but just loosen the entire cam right. don't have to remove it. Then simply turn the cams then the crank, NO? Any way gotta to go. but I will keep you guys posted. Thanks for the advise. Scatch my back and ill wash your car. Lol, sorry i was freaking out earlier. If worst comes to worst I can always just walk to school. I wanna be a mechanic. If i play my cards right . Late later
Hello this is an update. I just turned the left cam. Figured If something goes wrong my girl friend can just drive me around. I have fixed everything on her car seriously and i need a break. Whats the point who am i trying to impress. I cant fix everything every time for free. So many friend got me twisted. Well so i got everything on and will wait in tyhe morning to see what happens when i turn ignition. I did advance half tooth right side or passenger cam. but it was not the best or that good. I was trying to hurry today but some how at first when i was turning the crank i was hearing a cling ping every like turn not much but timing marks where dead on top. It turned out i forgot to tighten the pulley when i started turning by hand. Im kinda new with timing issues real an excited to be a part of this forum and i will try to post pictures. One last wonder... Cams are aligned with harmony i mean harmonic balancer but i thought i had it nine spaces which would line up to a blue line on the lower crank cover after i place the covers. on to the middle line of the three marks to check . I don't know i should get a picture. Can i turn the crank with everything connected like belts, battery radiator ect. because i did, trying to turn it to the three marks but i stopped when i seen the blue line. Im using a holder tool. should i keep it there and just turn the key. i think its 180* off. or no its lined up does it matter or what is it well thanks for the help.
Inside the rear cam backing plate and on the cam drive there should be marks to alow you to realign both cams and crank to the correct. positions. they are not easy to see but they are there.
I think it is sticky that has posted a really good pdf manual in here somewhere for the legend, there ia a reasonalble set of pics and discriptions of these marks and their allignment.
Also when i do a belt change on one of these i bring the crank around to close to where i want it and then use a white paint pen to add my own easy to see marks on all neccesary surfaces before i release the belt tensioner.
Then if there is a movement it is easy to see and realign back to the exact spot before the belt was removed.
I think it is sticky that has posted a really good pdf manual in here somewhere for the legend, there ia a reasonalble set of pics and discriptions of these marks and their allignment.
Also when i do a belt change on one of these i bring the crank around to close to where i want it and then use a white paint pen to add my own easy to see marks on all neccesary surfaces before i release the belt tensioner.
Then if there is a movement it is easy to see and realign back to the exact spot before the belt was removed.
Thanks for the help. I got it on ( water pump,timing) but it feels like no change. I noticed the thermostat housing o ring leaking so i should of replaced that but it still looks easy with the pump in. I hope i am right. dount have the time now but i hope that's all with the cooling system. This morning i found another problem so i am goin to take a break for a week, and drive it with out the thermostat, just to school and back like five miles away. Take care, later..
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