[Telion]

congrats finally done

Thank you and that would be nice but I am really only about 3/5th's done

still some minor fabrication corrections, a great deal of tuning to get the F/IC to work it's not currently in the car (hence the CEL's) and I still have to add the water injection.

 

[a06dmax]

in the vid it dont look like you got passed 60mph and whats a code 3 [thanks ima newbie]

 

[Telion]

dont look to bad how about a guesstimate on hours to build and when did you start the project and end it

On this I will have to refer you to the first post and urge you to set aside an hour or two to read through the whole thing if you are really going to do this many if not all of the mistakes I are in here and a couple of hours will save you days of grief and possibly great deal of money.

 

[dblanehopr]

it's a pretty badass thread.. this one and Car2n's NSX thread are really gonna be helpful to a lot of ppl when they get around to doing this.
;] still wishin i had a 450sx and a Legend SX. heh.. i'll just have to keep my beaters around til i can make them some seriously evil classic import cars.

 

[Jimbob22]

Manifold Pressure Sensor..

The Search is your friend Nooby.

looks like someones Gonna need Taller gears In a minute. Once you tune it that slight lag will be no lag, and you'll be shifting faster than you can blink.

Congrats on the Build, Now lets see some time slips!

 

[BIGBOY]

man Telion that thing is a monster!!!:bowdown:

 

[Vic Cardenas]

http://i300.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid300.photobucket.com/albums/nn20/Telion007/DSCF3415.flv
On a side note none of these are full throttle.

Holy crap dude! Look at those bushes in the background wizzing by. That first gear is crazy now.

Did you fix your broken lug nut? They won't pass you off on tech inspection at RMR.

 

[1_Hot_Legend_LS]

http://i300.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid300.photobucket.com/albums/nn20/Telion007/Videos/DSCF3412.flv

Holy fuck!

 

[Forevralegend]

His looks nowhere near as fast as yours. Thats lag you're seeing. When your car is hitting the upper RPMs its pulling much harder. If you ran him from a 45mph roll-on, it'd be a raping. I believe you have just posted the first proper video of a Turbo Legend in the United States. Labrat tried but his still looked like a 15 second car.

You have shown the first properly turbo'ed legend in the US. Rejoice!

PS: MORE VIDEOS!!!

I never said my car was just as fast, if you read what i posted, i posted my video as a comparison of the fastest NA car with no launch might I add, to his turbo legend. From a stand still they are not much different right now. So keep the raping comments to yourself, that's not what we were discussing.

edit: also keep in mind i was shifting at 7.5k while he was shifting at 7k and telion stopped accelerating at ~55 mph, but it doesn't even matter that not why i put my video on here

 

[Forevralegend]

in your new video telion, its seems like you got quite a bit of wheel spin that time, your speedometer went up to a little over 35 mph then dropped to around 25 mph when you shifted, i guess traction is going to start becoming an issue with you turbo guys

 

[legend coupe]

damn.. now i want a turbo legend...:lol:

 

[Telion]

in your new video telion, its seems like you got quite a bit of wheel spin that time, your speedometer went up to a little over 35 mph then dropped to around 25 mph when you shifted, i guess traction is going to start becoming an issue with you turbo guys

Sorry about that though I don't think Dethred meant disrespect I think he was stating something that was harder for me to see at first not sure what else to say about that so.... I did understand the comparison and was speaking lightly about the 230 vs 330 situation.

but yeah there there was a bit of wheel spin in the last one but it can be controlled so traction is only an issue within the abilities of the driver and the condition of the surface (I was taking off from the side of the freeway and launched a little do to cars coming up on me at 60 mph).

Plus there should be no disrespect to the speed of your car, you do have the most NA power and that should be and is respected.

 

[Dethred]

I never said my car was just as fast, if you read what i posted, i posted my video as a comparison of the fastest NA car with no launch might I add, to his turbo legend. From a stand still they are not much different right now. So keep the raping comments to yourself, that's not what we were discussing.

edit: also keep in mind i was shifting at 7.5k while he was shifting at 7k and telion stopped accelerating at ~55 mph, but it doesn't even matter that not why i put my video on here

How on earth do you read what I wrote and make a comment like that? None of what I said was directed to you. I am sorry that you feel insulted somehow. Seeing as I was, in no way shape or form, degrading your car, that whole post means nothing towards this discussion. I was addressing Telion's assertion that his car only seemed as fast as yours... which I disputed. This isn't a pissing contest, I merely stated what I observed. You have a quick N/A legend that deserves respect in its own right, while Telion has a turbocharged car. Its fairly apparent that his car, when running properly, will be even faster. In the higher RPM's it looks like it already is. Unless you do similar mods, get used to people making the obvious assertion that his car is faster when you post your video up for comparison. If you don't want the two cars compared, feel free to not post your car up for such a comparison.

Thank you for understanding.

 

[Vic Cardenas]

Do you have the phantom grip in yet?

 

[Telion]

Not yet I will likely do that the next time I pull the engine.

 

[Telion]

#$%^%$ I received the spark plugs today and they are 6E not 7E aggravating. Oh well they will be ready to be pulled in a month or so anyway I guess.

 

[Forevralegend]

How on earth do you read what I wrote and make a comment like that? None of what I said was directed to you. I am sorry that you feel insulted somehow. Seeing as I was, in no way shape or form, degrading your car, that whole post means nothing towards this discussion. I was addressing Telion's assertion that his car only seemed as fast as yours... which I disputed. This isn't a pissing contest, I merely stated what I observed. You have a quick N/A legend that deserves respect in its own right, while Telion has a turbocharged car. Its fairly apparent that his car, when running properly, will be even faster. In the higher RPM's it looks like it already is. Unless you do similar mods, get used to people making the obvious assertion that his car is faster when you post your video up for comparison. If you don't want the two cars compared, feel free to not post your car up for such a comparison.

Thank you for understanding.

I know his car is faster, the reason why I posted was to show how much faster just to give people an idea that's all. I'm not trying to take anything away from Telion or anything by saying my car is just as fast just wanted to make that known.

Now lets get back on topic, sorry Telion

 

[Telion]

No worries man, right now I am just wishing I could go through all 3 gears under 3/4 throttle. This issue has me wondering whether it would be worth it to take it to the track Friday since none of the people in the stands would know ahead of time that it is not don yet lol. But I really wanna see what she can do in this early stage. no one local has a missing link as a temp fix and I don't want to buy one for temporary use. I am thinking that I can just zero out the adjustments on the FIC, lock the voltage to the MAP sensor at 4volts or so and richen it a little after 3k. But then I am compelled to realize that it and the ECU are not exactly getting along at the moment anyway grr I want soo much soo fast.

 

[Forevralegend]

No worries man, right now I am just wishing I could go through all 3 gears under 3/4 throttle. This issue has me wondering whether it would be worth it to take it to the track Friday since none of the people in the stands would know ahead of time that it is not don yet lol. But I really wanna see what she can do in this early stage. no one local has a missing link as a temp fix and I don't want to buy one for temporary use. I am thinking that I can just zero out the adjustments on the FIC, lock the voltage to the MAP sensor at 4volts or so and richen it a little after 3k. But then I am compelled to realize that it and the ECU are not exactly getting along at the moment anyway grr I want soo much soo fast.

don't risk your engine, fix the problems then take it to the track, I know its hard to wait but it will be worth it later

 

[Vic Cardenas]

I don't know if you saw this about the IAT sensor... Found this on Prime.

The FIC has no "boost cut" feature like the AEM EMS. So you'd better have a turbo setup that doesn't suffer from boost creep!

Simply put, there is no IAT compensation table built into the FIC software. You'll have to build that safety factor into the timing table.

However, since the factory computer already adjust's timing based on IAT's and since the FIC modifies the factory signals, timing is adjusted proportionately. You'll want to log running conditions prior to the FIC installation to confirm running conditions, especially if using a CTSC where IAT's are significantly warmer than NA. On the contrary, our turbo setups have always shown significantly colder IAT's than NA, so we are able to use more timing while maintaining adequate safety levels.

yeek... no iat compensation?

wow for all the boost comp guys, ie me included, its going to be heck of a sell.

how do you guys log stock ecu changes over time? im always interested in a more cost effective solution but if it does not have vital controls such as iat compensation and just leave it up to the stock computer to figure it out it sends chills down my back.

my main concern was what the stock ecu was going to do but now with the lack of iat control, it looks like a deal breaker.

btw your cars are showing cooler iats then na.... how many lbs are you guys pushing and what intercooler setup? whats the secret.

my iats go off the charts when i start making boost and need meth to keep the madness in check... but im running 29psi and on a crappy intercooler so probably a different story.

I heard through the grapevine that my statement above was taken wrong.

The stock computer IS STILL COMPENSATING based on IATs and any other number of parameters. I meant to say that the FIC has no seperate "IAT compensation table" built into the software. There is no significant reason to because the factory computer already takes care of this.

Looking back, I now realize my IAT statement comparing NA vs. turbo IAT's is slightly flawed. The reason? The IAT sensor for the car in question was placed post intercooler and pre-intake manifold. NA IAT's are sampled from the intake manifold that is usually slightly heat-soaked, which will read slightly higher than an IAT sensor placed in the charge piping. Sorry for the confusion there! I had simply forgotten that the IAT sensor was placed in the charge piping.

However, our IAT's are still kept in check amazingly well. At 24psi, we were only seeing 120 degrees in an 80 degree ambient dyno cell. One time last spring, it was 32 degrees ambient and we were seeing IATs around 40 degrees. Pretty efficient either way you look at it!
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