[squalus]

Everything has a downside:

-Tuning a car any more than bolt ons will have tons of issues. See: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=683477

-Intake and exaust make the car better in the upper end and less in the low end. If they don't then they make the car too loud for normal people.

-CAIs are too loud and odd sounding for normal people, like your grandparents. It's a luxury car right? It's also a liability to them if you suck up water and destroy your engine.

-Dropping makes the ride worse, no matter how good your suspention. You can have an adjustable roll center and fully controlable suspention components but the springs and dampners have to be stiff to keep a lower car off the ground.

-Only a few people like body kits and Altezza lights, and even less have your favorite as their favorite.

-Lightened flywheels make your car harder to drive. It has less inertia so the clutch control has to be near perfect.

-Stronger clutches require more control as well.

-Sway bars(roll bars) make the ride jarring over uneaven left to right surfaces.

-Strut tower bars make the car too twitchy for many people, and can cause the car to loose it's safer understeer balance.

-Big rims make the car twitchy at the limits, reduce snow traction, and wet traction. The overall car gets worse.

-Big rims also raise the unsprung weight, making the car uncomfortable.

-Wide tires reduce gas mileage and stability in low traction conditions.

-Gimmick spark plugs (Splitfire, Bosch Platinum4+, etc.) only last longer at the stock power. Replacing worn spark plugs raise power anyway.

-Hyper-Ground and MSD are cost prohibitive, and may not really raise the hp b/c you replace the above when you install it.

-NOS kills your engine like steroids and is horrible for the environment. The remaining NOx destroys your cat. I've heard that they don't mess up your cat and I can prove to you with logic it's a lie: Your putting more Nitrogen and Oxygen in the chamber so you can burn more fuel. There WILL be extra NOx from ambient Nitrogen combining with the oxygen instead of carbon combining. In any case, more fuel burned means more bad gasses, period.

-Turbos require a lot of engineering knowledge, destroy the engine the same as NOS, and are very cost prohibitive to the manufacturer. The same T3 has been used in almost every factory turbo, with only slight modifications.

-Blocking the reduces emissions considerably and the manufacturer would be fined for this.

-Neon breaks very easily.

-Alarms, shaved locks, shaved doors, etc. are really useless and make getting in a car with a full load of groceries that much harder.

-Stripped interiors are just ugly.

-Carbon fiber is very, VERY cost prohibitive.

-In Dash receivers are cost prohibitive, the manufacturer can make much more money by making their own stereo.

-Subs use power and all the controlls to keep the power up are cost prohibitive and bulky.

-Everything that gives you performance reduces gas mileage and/or costs a lot and/or is hard to maintain.

-Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, has a downside. Just ask me and I'll probably have a downside to it (not to be all pessimistic and all).

There is a reason for the factory not putting on that nice looking strut tower bar for you! If it was an overall good idea then they would have it on all their vehicles. They don't want to make a slow car. They want to make it an efficient car, comfortable car, reasonably priced car, easy-to-drive car, etc.

EDIT:

OH yea!! I forgot!!

-Big brake kits are cost prohibitive and usually too big for the factory wheel size.

-Drilled and/or slotted rotors can break when in cold, wet climates.

-Steel brake lines are cost prohibitive.

and LBNL:

-Racing pads are a nightmare b/c they have to be at a proper operating temperature to work well. When cold they are MUCH worse than stock.

I'm not saying don't do it, by all means. I am happily modding my car, and I hope the rest of you are too. This is just so you know what your getting yourself into... Newtonian Physics aply to tuners just as much as Murphey's Law.

 

[lacaci]

What a bunch of crap..

I can't believe I just read through all these pages and havent been able to find EVEN ONE PERFORMANCE TIP... what a joke... could you tell me how to advance/retard the timing on the old legends? or what plugs to use to run a 175HP NOS wet shot? or how to make a tool to remove/install the valve springs on legen heands? or how to make the 2.7 rumble like a cammed V8? or how to install a supercharger by reversing the intake? or how to put high compression pistons on a 2.7 without custom ordering them? Or how to fix the front motor mount and make it solid? or how to swap the legend onto any other honda chassis?

Please, don't call it performance tips...call it "how to change your oil" tips"

 

[C25A1guy]

I can't believe I just read through all these pages and havent been able to find EVEN ONE PERFORMANCE TIP... what a joke... could you tell me how to advance/retard the timing on the old legends? or what plugs to use to run a 175HP NOS wet shot? or how to make a tool to remove/install the valve springs on legen heands? or how to make the 2.7 rumble like a cammed V8? or how to install a supercharger by reversing the intake? or how to put high compression pistons on a 2.7 without custom ordering them? Or how to fix the front motor mount and make it solid? or how to swap the legend onto any other honda chassis?

Please, don't call it performance tips...call it "how to change your oil" tips"

Please realize that you have a Legend, not a Civic. If you wanted aftermarket support, you should have just gotten a civic or teg instead. As far as internals, NOBODY, and I do mean NOBODYmakes it for the Legend, ESPICALLY A G1. If you don't like it, then get the hell out.

 

[Fut]

I can't believe I just read through all these pages and havent been able to find EVEN ONE PERFORMANCE TIP...

Your knowledege of motors seems to be much more advance than our simple Legend minds can handle. I'm quite sure your wisdom would be welcome elsewhere, it's not here. Please leave. And one'mo thang, don't come back!!!

One...

Fut :2cool:

 

[Ken]

some ppl have very big issues of not respecting others as a civilized person would, those ppl shouldn't be here on our friendly community, or even any other forum.

 

[JerzeyJ]

Legend

LOL it all has to be custom My R33 Body Kit from an Accord makes the Legend Look like a Skyline, I am soon doing an R33 tail coversion and verticle doors. Everyone STOP putting the Legend into one category (Luxury) My car with it's JDM Engine and soon to happen 5 Speed Swap will Tear up cars at the track. :eek2:

 

[lacaci]

Please realize that you have a Legend, not a Civic. If you wanted aftermarket support, you should have just gotten a civic or teg instead. As far as internals, NOBODY, and I do mean NOBODYmakes it for the Legend, ESPICALLY A G1. If you don't like it, then get the hell out.

Wow, so narrow minded, I'm amused. Listen, Honda itself makes more parts for the legend than you think, you just don't have the guts or the brains to try them.

If you don't know it..(of course you don't) H22 pistons will fit on a legend and will give you close to 11:1 compression ratio.
Putting heavy duty valve springs? Just get a set of exhaust inner spring from any junkyard and place them inside the intake springs.

What other internals are you looking for? Cause the crankshaft is forged steel, if you replace that you are wasting your money. The rods are very good quality steel, just need to balance them to get a little bit more rpm.
Ohhh and honda makes titanium rods for you...and crower, and any other aftermarket company makes them.

What other internals could you possibly want?

The pistons can be ordered for an H22 with low or high compression from JE and will cost you the same just add 2 pistons, no big deal. Same price as everyone else, just two more...but of course, YOU would have to order them custom made because you don't know better.

Tell me what other internal part you want and I'll let you know how to get it. Cams? crower, custom made just like any other car out there. Relatively same price.

And yes, I have a civic...and yes, it has a legend motor inside...and no..I'm not getting the hell out.

Let me know if you figured how to advance/retard the timing already.

 

[squalus]

If you really want to, a bunch of parts from the NSX should fit into our blocks. I would think that if you just bore &/or stroke it out to 3L and throw in some NSX pistons and rods, you'll have a low-tech version of a NSX engine. Someone tell me if it won't work... Honda has tons of pure racing research in the C30 and C32 and much can be adapted to the C25 and C27 in the Legend.

And timing can be done by a little screw in the vaccum control box. Drill out some rivets and turn it a bit. I found it a little while ago in this very forum... Search for timing or something like that...

 

[C25A1guy]

If you really want to, a bunch of parts from the NSX should fit into our blocks. I would think that if you just bore &/or stroke it out to 3L and throw in some NSX pistons and rods, you'll have a low-tech version of a NSX engine. Someone tell me if it won't work... Honda has tons of pure racing research in the C30 and C32 and much can be adapted to the C25 and C27 in the Legend.

And timing can be done by a little screw in the vaccum control box. Drill out some rivets and turn it a bit. I found it a little while ago in this very forum... Search for timing or something like that...

Yea, watch out when I come back w/ a revival of the G1. Muahahahahaha.

 

[phantom of the acura]

my fuel light works... but it DOES kick on kinda late... at about .25 gallons in my tank... lol...

 

[phantom of the acura]

Wow, so narrow minded, I'm amused. Listen, Honda itself makes more parts for the legend than you think, you just don't have the guts or the brains to try them.

If you don't know it..(of course you don't) H22 pistons will fit on a legend and will give you close to 11:1 compression ratio.
Putting heavy duty valve springs? Just get a set of exhaust inner spring from any junkyard and place them inside the intake springs.

What other internals are you looking for? Cause the crankshaft is forged steel, if you replace that you are wasting your money. The rods are very good quality steel, just need to balance them to get a little bit more rpm.
Ohhh and honda makes titanium rods for you...and crower, and any other aftermarket company makes them.

What other internals could you possibly want?

The pistons can be ordered for an H22 with low or high compression from JE and will cost you the same just add 2 pistons, no big deal. Same price as everyone else, just two more...but of course, YOU would have to order them custom made because you don't know better.

Tell me what other internal part you want and I'll let you know how to get it. Cams? crower, custom made just like any other car out there. Relatively same price.

And yes, I have a civic...and yes, it has a legend motor inside...and no..I'm not getting the hell out.

Let me know if you figured how to advance/retard the timing already.

nicely put.. but one question... how are u gonna find h22 internals at a junkyard... like finding a poor pimp.. thanks for the info though

 

[phantom of the acura]

NP. I was pretty close though, i figured it had to be something electrical. Im victorious.

:bowdown: nemesis

shut up... anyone self respecting legend owner would have known something had shorted out or something retarded like that

 

[phantom of the acura]

Everything has a downside:

-Tuning a car any more than bolt ons will have tons of issues. See: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=683477

-Intake and exaust make the car better in the upper end and less in the low end. If they don't then they make the car too loud for normal people.

-CAIs are too loud and odd sounding for normal people, like your grandparents. It's a luxury car right? It's also a liability to them if you suck up water and destroy your engine.

-Dropping makes the ride worse, no matter how good your suspention. You can have an adjustable roll center and fully controlable suspention components but the springs and dampners have to be stiff to keep a lower car off the ground.

-Only a few people like body kits and Altezza lights, and even less have your favorite as their favorite.

-Lightened flywheels make your car harder to drive. It has less inertia so the clutch control has to be near perfect.

-Stronger clutches require more control as well.

-Sway bars(roll bars) make the ride jarring over uneaven left to right surfaces.

-Strut tower bars make the car too twitchy for many people, and can cause the car to loose it's safer understeer balance.

-Big rims make the car twitchy at the limits, reduce snow traction, and wet traction. The overall car gets worse.

-Big rims also raise the unsprung weight, making the car uncomfortable.

-Wide tires reduce gas mileage and stability in low traction conditions.

-Gimmick spark plugs (Splitfire, Bosch Platinum4+, etc.) only last longer at the stock power. Replacing worn spark plugs raise power anyway.

-Hyper-Ground and MSD are cost prohibitive, and may not really raise the hp b/c you replace the above when you install it.

-NOS kills your engine like steroids and is horrible for the environment. The remaining NOx destroys your cat. I've heard that they don't mess up your cat and I can prove to you with logic it's a lie: Your putting more Nitrogen and Oxygen in the chamber so you can burn more fuel. There WILL be extra NOx from ambient Nitrogen combining with the oxygen instead of carbon combining. In any case, more fuel burned means more bad gasses, period.

-Turbos require a lot of engineering knowledge, destroy the engine the same as NOS, and are very cost prohibitive to the manufacturer. The same T3 has been used in almost every factory turbo, with only slight modifications.

-Blocking the reduces emissions considerably and the manufacturer would be fined for this.

-Neon breaks very easily.

-Alarms, shaved locks, shaved doors, etc. are really useless and make getting in a car with a full load of groceries that much harder.

-Stripped interiors are just ugly.

-Carbon fiber is very, VERY cost prohibitive.

-In Dash receivers are cost prohibitive, the manufacturer can make much more money by making their own stereo.

-Subs use power and all the controlls to keep the power up are cost prohibitive and bulky.

-Everything that gives you performance reduces gas mileage and/or costs a lot and/or is hard to maintain.

-Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, has a downside. Just ask me and I'll probably have a downside to it (not to be all pessimistic and all).

There is a reason for the factory not putting on that nice looking strut tower bar for you! If it was an overall good idea then they would have it on all their vehicles. They don't want to make a slow car. They want to make it an efficient car, comfortable car, reasonably priced car, easy-to-drive car, etc.

EDIT:

OH yea!! I forgot!!

-Big brake kits are cost prohibitive and usually too big for the factory wheel size.

-Drilled and/or slotted rotors can break when in cold, wet climates.

-Steel brake lines are cost prohibitive.

and LBNL:

-Racing pads are a nightmare b/c they have to be at a proper operating temperature to work well. When cold they are MUCH worse than stock.

I'm not saying don't do it, by all means. I am happily modding my car, and I hope the rest of you are too. This is just so you know what your getting yourself into... Newtonian Physics aply to tuners just as much as Murphey's Law.

anything u buy will be cost prohibitive... if u didnt want that, u wouldnt have a legend would u? i didnt think so

 

[squalus]

anything u buy will be cost prohibitive... if u didnt want that, u wouldnt have a legend would u? i didnt think so

Try producing 10,000 steel braided brake lines for $100 each($1,000,000) compared to 10,000 rubber ones for $50 each($500,000) and you'll see why they don't care that the steel ones work a little better. The normal person doesn't need steel braided brake lines so they won't even notice.

 

[Legend_master]

Putting heavy duty valve springs? Just get a set of exhaust inner spring from any junkyard and place them inside the intake springs.

So can you put the intake springs on the exaust side as to make them stronger?

 

[bloodyromance]

turbo?

is there any company who mkaes a turbocharger hit for a legend?

 

[Legend_master]

is there any company who mkaes a turbocharger hit for a legend?

There is only one company and they are very expensive. If I was you I would do a juckyard built turbo. Well here is the site if you want to check it out. Legend Turbo Kit

Welcome to the forum

 

[phantom of the acura]

now, how do i get rid of it? should i just wipe it off or what?

NY

I found that Mguiars rich leather foam and other leather products are the best my money can buy! It is definately worth the extra cash you put in... My leather looks showroom fresh... ill post a pic in a day or so

 

[phantom of the acura]

LOL it all has to be custom My R33 Body Kit from an Accord makes the Legend Look like a Skyline, I am soon doing an R33 tail coversion and verticle doors. Everyone STOP putting the Legend into one category (Luxury) My car with it's JDM Engine and soon to happen 5 Speed Swap will Tear up cars at the track. :eek2:

The "vericle" doors (by the way you misspelled vertical) you refer to are called jacknife doors, as seen on lamborginis. These are the most **** of all mods you can do to disgrace a Legend. Go buy a civic and rice it out... You are not a true Legendeer.

 

[phantom of the acura]

Wow, so narrow minded, I'm amused. Listen, Honda itself makes more parts for the legend than you think, you just don't have the guts or the brains to try them.

If you don't know it..(of course you don't) H22 pistons will fit on a legend and will give you close to 11:1 compression ratio.
Putting heavy duty valve springs? Just get a set of exhaust inner spring from any junkyard and place them inside the intake springs.

What other internals are you looking for? Cause the crankshaft is forged steel, if you replace that you are wasting your money. The rods are very good quality steel, just need to balance them to get a little bit more rpm.
Ohhh and honda makes titanium rods for you...and crower, and any other aftermarket company makes them.

What other internals could you possibly want?

The pistons can be ordered for an H22 with low or high compression from JE and will cost you the same just add 2 pistons, no big deal. Same price as everyone else, just two more...but of course, YOU would have to order them custom made because you don't know better.

Tell me what other internal part you want and I'll let you know how to get it. Cams? crower, custom made just like any other car out there. Relatively same price.

And yes, I have a civic...and yes, it has a legend motor inside...and no..I'm not getting the hell out.

Let me know if you figured how to advance/retard the timing already.

Your civic is one of the few in can respect... Within it flows the blood of a champion... the Legend