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Thankyou. Any street racing discussion is a potential ban. Keep it track in here/on this site. Thanks guys.
 

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P.S. Mods of this forum, if you could help me delete current street racing discussion threads/replies that would be great. Thanks for all you do guys. :)
 

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lol..that's pretty much 90% of the threads in this forum.

But I'm all for it, street racing is just senseless, nothing good ever comes out from it.
 

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I think its very big of you guys to step up to the plate in letting it be known that that sort of behavior is unexceptable on the streets, therefore not excepted on these forums, thats very mature and responsible. People are dying behind these street races. I only wish that people would take this more seriously.

Hopfully people on this forum will respect what you all are trying to do and support it fully and not question it.
 

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RenoG said:
I think its very big of you guys to step up to the plate in letting it be known that that sort of behavior is unexceptable on the streets, therefore not excepted on these forums, thats very mature and responsible. People are dying behind these street races. I only wish that people would take this more seriously.

Hopfully people on this forum will respect what you all are trying to do and support it fully and not question it.
Thank you, Reno.
This is far too important to turn the other way...I guess folks won't see the light til it UNFORTUNATELY affects them or one of their loved ones
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Thank you, Reno.
This is far too important to turn the other way...I guess folks won't see the light til it UNFORTUNATELY affects them or one of their loved ones
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I didnt' know this board was such a communism. (j/k) :eek: :D :D
I have "seen the light". I have had friends injured by SENSELESS street racing. However, not all incidents of racing off the track are dangerous.
When me and 6-10 other people arrange to race on a rural road where perhaps 3 cars will drive in a day, that is not dangerous. I feel in more danger when I am driving home on the freeway everyday.
I think people just need to be smart about where and when they are racing off of the track.
O, and I still think that going to the track to race is not a bad thing. It just sucks serious ass when they charge you 15 dollars so you can sit in line for 2 hours, not get a correct time becuase the lights are ****ed up, and only get in 2 runs a night.
Not trying to disrespect you guys, just giving another opinion.
Peace.
 

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damn yall iv always been a fan of street racing and always would smoke the compitition but now i think twice about it and probably not race any more. yeah a quick down shift to 60 or 70 everynow and then is ok but becides that naaa.plus my drivers license is suspended not for racing either. peace yall and be safe
 

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ok then?.. can we discuss track here?..
i ask something? are FWD cars really disadvantage compared to RWD or AWD like when i drive my legend it gets up pretty well but T.V, Books and also phyics tells me that FWD cars have a big disadvantage to RWD or AWD...
..im getting reall @#[email protected]#$ confused because even though a RWD car vs a FWD car the FWD has the advantage of handling(understeer?) but mean while the RWD has the advantage of acceration and top speed... or am I overthinkin it..
 

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ok then?.. can we discuss track here?..
i ask something? are FWD cars really disadvantage compared to RWD or AWD like when i drive my legend it gets up pretty well but T.V, Books and also phyics tells me that FWD cars have a big disadvantage to RWD or AWD...
..im getting reall @#[email protected]#$ confused because even though a RWD car vs a FWD car the FWD has the advantage of handling(understeer?) but mean while the RWD has the advantage of acceration and top speed... or am I overthinkin it..
actually...truely, in a debate of FF versus FR (Front engine Front drive and Front engine Rear drive) Physics clearly proclaims that Front engine Front drive is superior.

before i get alot of counter remarks and arguments please continue reading my post.

In a situation an FF chassis will pull, in that same situation, a FR chassis will push. In physics mathematically and physically, it's easier to move and manuever something when you're pulling it versus pushing it. Simple kinematics, would you rather push a log up a hill or pull it? would you rather push a rock or pull it?

In the discussion of cars, when you look at it like this. under acceleration, the only thing keeping the car on a forward accelerating path is the rear of the vehicle. This is like pushing the log up the hill. you're going to expend more energy trying to keep that log going up the hill striaght versus actually pushing that log up the hill.

think about it in a turn. Power over steer. what is it? that's when the momentum of the vehicle and the power being delivered overcomes the grip of the rear tires and causes the back end of the vehicle to step out. some think this is the ultimate in driving characteristics, and true, some neutral to EXTREMELY slight oversteer is wanted in fast cornering, but not power oversteer by wheels loosing traction due to power input.

It's been clearly seen time and time again that in quick manuevers and tight, on-power corners, a well tuned FF chassis will be better in the wider twisties.

FF characteristics basically as stated before are to pull. I dont know if you watch any japanese shows. I've seen a couple that demonstrate this but i wouldn't base my opinion on it solely, i have witnessed the advatage of having FF in tight twisty situations. But watch a battle between a 2.0L civic and the S2000. both have almost the same hp, they weight about the same. civic is probably lighter. the S2000 had more power. but the S2000 couldn't use it as efficiently as the Civic could because whenever the throttle was wacked open trying to keep pace with the civic (since the civic could use full throttle sooner) the S2000 would spin the tires and would use more energy and time trying to keep the Log (S2000) going STRAIGHT up the hill instead of actually PUSHING IT up the hill.

Same with at speed acceleration. say at 70mph you gun a 700hp car with 215 sized tires. FR. the back end is likely to step out, you have to get off the gas wait for it to come back get back in it if it steps out again, you've gotta try to get it to go straight instead of actually taking off.

Try the same with a 700hp FF in a straight line. spinning the tires just results in wheel shimmy but the body stays straight and eventually, when the tires stop spinning, you've out accelerated the FR car still trying to keep the back end from becoming the front end.

There's arguments about high power FF not being able to compete. and this is true. however, just like FR have different tire sizes to compensate for high power, given the right sized tires the FF would be able to compete and/or beat the FR.

Watching Best Motoring's Touge battles are not a true test of "what's better FF or FR" it's more of a drama thing for them...

Those races dont take into account different tuning strategies, different levels of performance attention to detail.

IT has become an artform in trying to get the log to go up the hill faster being pushed, than being pulled up.

Remember when the Front Drive chassis showed up on the racing circuits they demolished the FR cars of the time.

theoretically...AWD is the best of both world. and in practice, it can be more advantageous in cornering and straight line that either FF or FR...it just depends on how the chassis is designed.
 

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RWD > FWD on the drag strip

FWD > RWD on tight corners (auto-x, touge)

AWD > FWD on tight corners
 

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Personally, i think it all really depends on the car or how it is set up like B&O was saying. If a car has a near 50/50 weight balance and a lower center of gravity, id rather it be a RWD car than a FWD car. I think if your RWD car is set up properly, you can have a nice control of oversteer while being able to fix the understeer problem with a little right foot steering. In a FWD car, i like being able to have oversteer correction withn being able to drop a gear and straighten the car out nice and quick. Im not too familiar with AWD, so i cant really say. But i preferably enjoy RWD, i feel i get more control, giving each end of the car its own responsibilities. Sometimes i think there is too much stress on the FWD cars, but then again, depends on how its set up.

just my $.02

-jeff
 

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I understand the reason for the rule, however I also dont see the harm in posting about it. Can anyone clarify why this rule is so much enforced when other just as equally important rules are not?

Not trying to stir up trouble, but I dont see the harm in it. Let them post their stories of their kills/suicides. Just as long as they are true legit stories... none of that "My stock Type I auto beat a Ferarri F-50".

I'm not saying we should promote street racing, but if they happen to have a story about how some random dude in a riced out civic pulled up next to them winding up that hampster powered engine making their 4" coffe can exhaust roar like old man hicks farted... i dont see the harm in it.
 

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The harm is in the process of "teaching those civics a lesson" in uncontrolled enviornments, on public roads not intended for racing of any kind. It's all fun and games until someone's son, brother, father, sister or mother is killed. Who really cares if there is some "riced out civic" owner felt the need to prove his manhood? The responsible driver will ignore such immaturity.

I've been challenged by cars supposedly superior to mine, and while I knew that I could have easily put the "challenger" in his place, I don't feel that the lessons taught were not worth the fuel that would have been consumed in the process.

Ego is probably the biggest killer of man. It isn't a crime to want to have one's ego stroked every now and then, but there are ways to do it without taking the lives of innocents into one's hands.

Street racing is immature and dangerous. Doesn't matter if the driver is in a riced out civic, or a clean, cool Legend.

No one is denying that it happens, but this forum has chosen to openly frown on street racing. If there are Legend owners who feel the need to brag about such encounters, they can do so at the numerous other forums that allow it.

That said, all of this has been discussed before.
 

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Honestly if you want to talk street racing or drag racing it should be fine, I dont mean 24/7 but every once and awhile represent ur platform a little I mean if no one can tell anyone " i beat a maxima" then your going to have people asking, "can i beat it?"
And is it really important to try and beat a Maxima? Does it add to the possibility of world peace? Does it save lives against terrorism? Help cure AIDS? Or, maybe less-loftier, does it decrease the number of animals put to sleep each year by the humane society? No? Well, I can see why it's worth bragging about, then.
 
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