I was basing that off of stock ratings. I only had a short ram and 3 inch so I am guessing my loss is actually less. I have 65% of the (200/200) factory rated hp and tq which equates to 130/140 lil more tq up at my altitude...well Parkers altitude. So if I could get 170/180@ the wheels up here + or - a few, that would mean that at the wheels at sea level I would have 230/243 hp/tq
That would be at 5.8 lbs of boost. That is just an estimate though, and I doubt the ability of this kit to spool on a dyno run. I still think that full boost comes in at 3rd and 4th gear. I plan on trying to boost it until it explodes to see our limits. HG will be made and installed along w/studs before this happens.

Peace K

 

I was basing that off of stock ratings. I only had a short ram and 3 inch so I am guessing my loss is actually less. I have 65% of the (200/200) factory rated hp and tq which equates to 130/140 lil more tq up at my altitude...well Parkers altitude. So if I could get 170/180@ the wheels up here + or - a few, that would mean that at the wheels at sea level I would have 230/243 hp/tq
That would be at 5.8 lbs of boost. That is just an estimate though, and I doubt the ability of this kit to spool on a dyno run. I still think that full boost comes in at 3rd and 4th gear. I plan on trying to boost it until it explodes to see our limits. HG will be made and installed along w/studs before this happens.

Peace K

you dont understand, a 13% drive train loss on a legend is unheard of. its actually pretty unheard of on most cars. with a manual your are looking at 15% and auto is more like 18-25%

~TRu Hybrid

 

my auto had 16%....

 

I do understand! I am basing those figures purely off of dyno results compared to factory ratings. That means 20-26 hp/ftlbs loss from the drive train. Like I said that was with 3inch catback w/ a hi flo cat and a short ram intake. I also have full synthetic oil which eliminates parisitic loss but what the hay. Maybe those mods gave me some UMPH or that the dyno was inaccurate. Who knows if acura underrates their cars. GM does that all of the time. I am just putting my results down on threads. I know what typical losses are, and you(DV8) are right as far as the general aspect goes. I was supprised myself. I am estimating after further looking into sim. setups that I have more like 220/230ish with my setup at the wheels(if I were at sea level).

Thx K

 

my auto had 16%....

But, you have to base part of your math on a assumption. The assumption that your motor is making exactly 200HP at the time of the dyno run, and that the dyno is correctly calibrated. Unless you pull your motor and dyno it on a stand, you can never be sure of your actual drivetrain loss.

 

But, you have to base part of your math on a assumption. The assumption that your motor is making exactly 200HP at the time of the dyno run, and that the dyno is correctly calibrated. Unless you pull your motor and dyno it on a stand, you can never be sure of your actual drivetrain loss.

that is also on ~10 seperate dyno runs,(3 times dynoing, multiple runs each)

with different mods, as well as knowing how much mods would change stuff, a lot of math went into estimating it.

 

sorry guys just found out about this tread.. hehhe mad props... i was about to start my turbo project but if your turbo is fine i will pick one up from joules but i was worried about the piping set up... do you have any probs with it? and can i get price from you or do i contact joules i do have the number so i can do it...

i just need the parts i can handle the install here in LA. any information would be appriciated. and i was wondering if there was a kit would it be "better" made then yours condering that yours was a prototype? basically will it be a really good bolton... i was also wondering what type of kit is it and what cars was it for originally... please pm , email anything... i am for sure going to do the tranny sway now then turbo!!!

-wiL

 

sorry guys just found out about this tread.. hehhe mad props... i was about to start my turbo project but if your turbo is fine i will pick one up from joules but i was worried about the piping set up... do you have any probs with it? and can i get price from you or do i contact joules i do have the number so i can do it...

i just need the parts i can handle the install here in LA. any information would be appriciated. and i was wondering if there was a kit would it be "better" made then yours condering that yours was a prototype? basically will it be a really good bolton... i was also wondering what type of kit is it and what cars was it for originally... please pm , email anything... i am for sure going to do the tranny sway now then turbo!!!

-wiL

If you get a kit try and get them to make turbo exhaust manifolds. He's having trouble spooling and that would help.

 

If you get a kit try and get them to make turbo exhaust manifolds. He's having trouble spooling and that would help.

yeah that is what i was thinking when i asked about all the stuff... cause i wanna get it done right the first time... i was wondering where the intake manifold was and then i saw there was none... well the stock one... hehehe... kyle if you can keep us updated i would really appreciate it!

-wiL

 

Wow sooooo many pages.. alright im new here but lately ive been thinking of selling my lude (next year) and getting a legend simply because theyre so badass and one of my favorite (affordable) cars. I was hoping to go all out with the engine on this one as i have an automatic lude and its not really worth dumping money into a 15 years old engine. Now.. is their actually some people that turbo'd their 2nd gen legend? I see people talk about it a lot but havent actually seen any pics. Would it be easier to go twin turbo or jus single turbo? How much room would u have for a single turbo?? Ohh and how much do the turbo mani's go for (someone must make em right)? I'm guessing a lot so im probably jus gonna make my own.

 

Wow sooooo many pages.. alright im new here but lately ive been thinking of selling my lude (next year) and getting a legend simply because theyre so badass and one of my favorite (affordable) cars. I was hoping to go all out with the engine on this one as i have an automatic lude and its not really worth dumping money into a 15 years old engine. Now.. is their actually some people that turbo'd their 2nd gen legend? I see people talk about it a lot but havent actually seen any pics. Would it be easier to go twin turbo or jus single turbo? How much room would u have for a single turbo?? Ohh and how much do the turbo mani's go for (someone must make em right)? I'm guessing a lot so im probably jus gonna make my own.

Read throught the thread and you'll see everything you need to know.

 

Hey guys! Whats up? The kit is not a kit. Joule and I talked and there is not going to be a replication of this "kit". I am working to get actual manifolds made-flanges(headers & turbo) for a more tunned setup. They can make it for your car if you take it to them. I am having problems with piping and some other things, but they should be resolved soon. If you go with everything I have without getting any deals you will easily spend over 4K if not closer to 5k. There are pics of the car a few pages back.

Peace

 

Hey guys! Whats up? The kit is not a kit. Joule and I talked and there is not going to be a replication of this "kit". I am working to get actual manifolds made-flanges(headers & turbo) for a more tunned setup. They can make it for your car if you take it to them. I am having problems with piping and some other things, but they should be resolved soon. If you go with everything I have without getting any deals you will easily spend over 4K if not closer to 5k. There are pics of the car a few pages back.

Peace

Are they at least going to sell the manifolds by themselve? That would make it much easier to start building a setup for a 3.2 TL, thinking about starting this. I can't beleive they aren't going to make a kit though, I'm sure there are enough people that would actually shell out for it that they would be able to make money off of it... I still gotta give you mad props man, I'm hoping to be the first one to do this to a 1st gen TL. :bowdown:

 

damn 4-5k is kinda steep for a turbo setup.. if i get a legend next year im gonna rebuild the motor then look into a turbo. I know its not something to joke around with but i know what im doing. Why didnt u do most of the work anyways? If it were me i would have done almost everything.. woulda saved sooo much money!

 

damn 4-5k is kinda steep for a turbo setup.. if i get a legend next year im gonna rebuild the motor then look into a turbo. I know its not something to joke around with but i know what im doing. Why didnt u do most of the work anyways? If it were me i would have done almost everything.. woulda saved sooo much money!

My suggestion to you is get a 1993-1996 Prelude VTEC.

They are FASTER stock, much MORE modifiable, and the 94+ Preludes have better dash gauges than a Legend. Also, Preludes have typical Honda reliability.

Read around this thread and you'll find how this turbo Legend is really not powerful at all, and is having boost problems. As I stated before (na na na I told you so...ok, just kidding ) running a turbo so far from the motor creates massive boost lag. Overall, DV8's Legend is much faster compared to this one and only turbo Legend example. Read the entire thread.....

I would strongly recommend staying away from a Legend if you have inflated dreams of performance. I love Legends, but no one can convince me that the "uniqueness" of a modified, but lesser performing Legend is better than other cars. Get a car that can be made fast.......

 

I want a car that can be unique.. thats the problem.. i hate 4th gens and their dashes are ugly as hell. Plus theirs way too many 4th gens around here.. its unbefreakinalabalble whatever. Anyways i still want a legend even if its not gonna be tinkered with (still will be). The reason i got my3rdgen lude was because i rarely saw any anywhere.. now i want something else with more potential and more uniqueness (for my area.. dunno how many their are in ur areas) but yea.. i also did read the whole thread.. well maybe skipping a couple pages

 

Well, yes I think I should have made it myself, but I wanted a car that ran flawlessly. I didnt necessarily get that, and it really isnt done so I guess I cant expect that. I am going back through the system by myself when I have the time after work on evenings. I did get pretty good prices on most parts from a friend and Joule. As far as manifolds go, all I have is the stock ones that go from the stock manifolds back into a reg. pipe then turn 180 deg. I am working on those, and that will be the closest to tuned manifolds we will get until some one else does it differently.

Until Later-K

 

Wow no wonder theres so much turbo lag! Youd have to remake all new manifolds for it to work right.

 

I've been away from the forums for quite some time now and just read through this thread. Wow, props to Kyle and everyone else that supported him along the way. Even though there are still a number of bugs to work out this is a major step in the right direction for Legends AWesome job guys!!!!!!!

 

So who knows where Joule tapped the oil drain for the turbo? i know the oil feed comes from the oil pressure sending unit but the drain? Could he really of drilled and tapped the oil pan? Please answer.

~Tru Hybrid

 

Comptech makes a fitting for their S2000 supercharger kit that threads into the oil pan in place of the drainplug. The other end of the fitting is threaded so the return line from the supercharger can be attached easily. The S2K has an aluminum oil pan like the legend, I would imagine it could be made to work on a legend as well.

 

Comptech makes a fitting for their S2000 supercharger kit that threads into the oil pan in place of the drainplug. The other end of the fitting is threaded so the return line from the supercharger can be attached easily. The S2K has an aluminum oil pan like the legend, I would imagine it could be made to work on a legend as well.

thats neat, but how does the oil push through if its at the bottom of the pan where oil is presesnt? pressure i guess?

 

DV8, what side do you need pics of? I will try to take some while the rad. is out.

Peace, K

 

DV8, what side do you need pics of? I will try to take some while the rad. is out.

Peace, K

bottom of the turbo should have a line going somewhere to the oil pan. whereever the line goes i want to know. i know the top line goes to the oil pressure sending unit hole in the middle of the block.

What diameter pipes were used for your exhaust downpipe and the turbo exhaust off the turbo?

~TRu Hybrid

 

bottom of the turbo should have a line going somewhere to the oil pan. whereever the line goes i want to know. i know the top line goes to the oil pressure sending unit hole in the middle of the block.

What diameter pipes were used for your exhaust downpipe and the turbo exhaust off the turbo?

~TRu Hybrid

I still need to take pics of the oil lines, but the diameter for the downpipe is 2.5. I have a seperate 2-1 y configuration I do not know the diameter though...I will try and measure when I put in the new rad. this weekend.

K