[Dv8]

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MY MY MY, Jouole really slapped Kyle with a unplanned turbo kit. while i applaud the fact it was made i cannot belive that they actually ran the exhaust dump pipe under the engine. not to mention the intercooling piping around the radiator support. I hope the roads are better there than here because all that stuff would get crushed. Dont plan on slamming you car anytime soon.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[tnelson]

Now to get it running right and actually fast enough to beat Tnelson's nitroused legend. I wanna hear the details of that race anyways.

ok, we met up on saturday, i took pics, then we went out and he gave me a ride. He was having a problem with check engine light, and if he redlined it, he would throw a code(a la TJ and the supercharger). I think it was an atmospheric presure thing. he dropped 3500 feet in elevation. anyway, he was still getting boost.
running me from a stop i won. by 4500 rpm i had 1/2 a car at least, and then by the top of 1st he was almost back to even. But keep in mind this is without the bottle. With the bottle it would have been at least 2 cars in 1st, but i can tell by riding in it, and knowing my own car, that he would have had it back to even by about 1/2 way thru third, and beat me by a car or so in the 1/4. with nitrous i am a low 14s car i believe, never had a chance to run it, but i have street raced a lot of people that are at or around low 14s high 13s and have gotten some good kills.

anyway, yes, its a hacked up kit. the fact that the "exhaust manifolds" are just mandril pipe stuck on the end of stock manifolds and wrapped around, sucks. It kills the spool time. But even considering all that, he still spools a t04E by 4k in 1st(and i mean full boost) and its completely spooled by 3500 rpm in 2nd,3rd and fourth.
problems with the kit
1. Stock manifolds
2. Turbo is too big for the application.
3. Has a couple of exhaust leaks,
4. Throws a check engine light when at this altitude. i think he needs to look into a comptech ESM, or another honda esm setup. I am 95% sure that its his map sensor.

Even considering all these things, he gets good spool, and the car pulls hard once it hits boost, and im sure is a low 14s, high 13s car with the proper tuning, and thats on a stock c32, with only 5.8 psi. with 8, should be a mid 13, and after that, its all guts to see how long the bottom end lasts.

thats my take on the setup, if you have any other questions, im me on aim at TNE7, or call me, if you want the number pm me. (had a nice convo with diaz yesterday)

 

[legend4life]

The manifold design sucks.

But if he's spooling by those rpm's the turbo is not too big for the application, it's sized very well. Once he gets the boost controller hooked up and tuned, the leaks fixed, and all the problems worked out, spool should be even better.

To fix the CEL all he needs to do is wire up the AFC correctly, do a google search for 'afc hack', that's how most turbo hondas deal with the MAP sensor problem, it is not something unique to the Legend.



-Imran

 

[Dethred]

Why can't we just use an EPROM editing program? Adjust fuel loads, redline, ignition retard etc? That with an AFC hack to take care of CEL's might make for a semi-decent tune.

Here's what I found: http://www.evc.de/en/product/ols/default.asp
http://www.kalmaker.com.au/page16.html
http://www.tunercat.com/tnr_desc/rttnr_desc.html

Here's another one where you can start from emprom burner parts and do the whole thing for about 50 bucks.

http://www.boostcruising.com/silvia/eprom.asp

 

[Dv8]

CRap after looking at the picture again i noticed both manifolds wrap around and merge in the front. I totally though they Y'ed out like a normal y pipe and one pipe ran to the front. Am i right? If i am wouldnt power output be diributed unevenly between one side of the v and the other? I dont think the turbo is oversized by too much, there are more effective ways to run the piping so that turbo would be maximized.

 

[LeoLegendATL]

I thought everyone said that he would need standalone engine managment? He is getting boost so whats up with that?

 

[LeGenDzZ]

More pics..

http://www.gujumafia1.com/Labrats/

 

[tnelson]

CRap after looking at the picture again i noticed both manifolds wrap around and merge in the front. I totally though they Y'ed out like a normal y pipe and one pipe ran to the front. Am i right? If i am wouldnt power output be diributed unevenly between one side of the v and the other? I dont think the turbo is oversized by too much, there are more effective ways to run the piping so that turbo would be maximized.

They both basically come out of the stock manifold and pull a 180 and go straight forwar, wrap around and meet up front. look at sam's pictures, he has a much better camera than me.

 

[sr79labrat]

Any one want to do that ECU mod for me? I am running out of time for the other 4 project underway. Please

Thx KTW

 

[sr79labrat]

1st Lemme see if the AVCR is going to work. I will let yall know.

Kyle

 

[Dethred]

If you moved the fuse boxes, battery (to the trunk), the second radiator fan (to the front of the radiator), and the overflow tank out of the way you could even use smaller twins and use a 2-1 FMIC.

 

[Seeb_95Legend]

i think i can help with the ecu, but im pretty busy and i haven't messed with the stock one, i wanted too a while back but never got to it, so i just bought a bayou stage2 instead. if u can get a copy of the stock rom or what ever your running, email me a copy in binary (assembly prefered, lol ), and ill try to crack it for ya. hit me up on aim, and i can tell you what u need to do. very nice pics BTW, when will we see vidoe of it in action?

 

[Dv8]

If you moved the fuse boxes, battery (to the trunk), the second radiator fan (to the front of the radiator), and the overflow tank out of the way you could even use smaller twins and use a 2-1 FMIC.

u could but the turbo exhaust running under the car is a problem for most cars. too low. My idea is the drivers manifold loops to the passenger side manifold from behind,(where the y pipe would be) Y's out to the front and plugs to the turbo(same like now, turbo slightly in a better location, away from engine behind headlight). The turbo exaust would then follow by the driverside exaust manifold and out the exhaust. Everything else would basically be the same. However i have no reservations cutting my chassis to have the charge pipes go through rather than under the car.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[tnelson]

u could but the turbo exhaust running under the car is a problem for most cars. too low. My idea is the drivers manifold loops to the passenger side manifold from behind,(where the y pipe would be) Y's out to the front and plugs to the turbo(same like now, turbo slightly in a better location, away from engine behind headlight). The turbo exaust would then follow by the driverside exaust manifold and out the exhaust. Everything else would basically be the same. However i have no reservations cutting my chassis to have the charge pipes go through rather than under the car.

~TRu Hybrid

that is the same way i have planned it out. you could drop right down to a fmic, then bring the charge pipe up where we bring cold air intakes, and go from there.

 

[Dethred]

u could but the turbo exhaust running under the car is a problem for most cars. too low. My idea is the drivers manifold loops to the passenger side manifold from behind,(where the y pipe would be) Y's out to the front and plugs to the turbo(same like now, turbo slightly in a better location, away from engine behind headlight). The turbo exaust would then follow by the driverside exaust manifold and out the exhaust. Everything else would basically be the same. However i have no reservations cutting my chassis to have the charge pipes go through rather than under the car.

~TRu Hybrid

Either way the one big thing we know limiting any kind of F.I. is an engine management setup that can make use of the power and not throw CEL's etc.

I'd seriously ask the dude on here that is selling the bayou chips on the side to give a base program online so you can use an eprom editing program to make a tune with a chip for yourself and to sell to others.

 

[Dave C ver2.0]

Either way the one big thing we know limiting any kind of F.I. is an engine management setup that can make use of the power and not throw CEL's etc.

And what have I said for YEARS?

 

[Dethred]

And what have I said for YEARS?

Wow that makes it sound like no one believed you.

Why don't you enlighten us as to the best EMS for the money that we can even adapt to our cars?

 

[Dave C ver2.0]

Wow that makes it sound like no one believed you.

Why don't you enlighten us as to the best EMS for the money that we can even adapt to our cars?

There isn't one unless you can spend 5-7K on a Haltech or TEC 3 and then spend another 2-3K on dyno tuning.

There you go. Face it, Legend owners don't have the resources to do this kind of stuff properly.

 

[tnelson]

There isn't one unless you can spend 5-7K on a Haltech or TEC 3 and then spend another 2-3K on dyno tuning.

There you go. Face it, Legend owners don't have the resources to do this kind of stuff properly.

a legend is a honda. a turbo b or d series sees the same problems we have. why invest 10k in an ecu when you can use the same tricks they do.....?

 

[Kenso]

a legend is a honda. a turbo b or d series sees the same problems we have. why invest 10k in an ecu when you can use the same tricks they do.....?

Exactly. Plenty of hondas run FI without standalone setups, and run well. I installed a Comptech SC with the aftercooler on an S2000 for a friend. It's running on a stock ecu, the only addition is the Comptech ESM for the map sensor and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. He dynoed 297 to the wheels with this setup. Sure, it would probably make more power with a standalone and tuning, but it's been running and driving perfectly like this for 18k miles. This turbo Legend is not that different. As soon as the ecu stops seeing boost, the CEL issue will be taken care of. Some fuel pressure adjustments and tuning with an afc should be good enough to get it running decently.
I"ve also owned a 2000 Integra Type R with a Jackson Racing supercharger. The car ran 13's, no tuning, no afc. Would have been nice to tune it and make some more power, but the point is it ran ok without it. I just don't see a standalone as a must for this Legend, at least not at this point with the low levels of boost.

Comptech ESM