either spend the money or dont, no use beating it to death.

Put up or shut up come to mind

~TRu Hybrid

 

either spend the money or dont, no use beating it to death.

Put up or shut up come to mind

~TRu Hybrid

Do you have regrets going to manual?

 

Do you have regrets going to manual?

Yea its not as easy to race anymore.

~TRu Hybrid

 

Yea its not as easy to race anymore.

~TRu Hybrid

Granny Shiftin not double clutchin like you should!
What are the differences in racing that are difficult?
Do you get better gas mileage?
KTW

 

Granny Shiftin not double clutchin like you should!
What are the differences in racing that are difficult?
Do you get better gas mileage?
KTW

I dont mean to offend but if you dont know these things why do you even get involved with any modifications to this car? You ask the most novice questions.

Manual trans you can control the revs esspecially around turns the auto will mostly be built for one thing in mind, straight line drag.

Nothings going to get good gas mileage, you threw that out the window when you put a turbo on this legend without a full managment system.

~TRu Hybrid

 

I dont mean to offend but if you dont know these things why do you even get involved with any modifications to this car? You ask the most novice questions.

Manual trans you can control the revs esspecially around turns the auto will mostly be built for one thing in mind, straight line drag.

Nothings going to get good gas mileage, you threw that out the window when you put a turbo on this legend without a full managment system.

~TRu Hybrid

I am not asking novice questions, but I do realize I didnt ask the right question(s).

I have never heard of you auto Xing the car, only talking about it. So I figured you were talking about drag because that is what you do. So is it harder to drag race? If so, why?

Turbo engines are known to get good gas mileage while not in boost because you are not pumping extra fuel into the engine as you are not in boost for normal driving. I would be under the impression that if I had a stick that I could control the RPMS during normal driving. I would get horrible gas mileage if I were in boost the entire time, but I never drive like that.
Later, Kyle

 

I am not asking novice questions, but I do realize I didnt ask the right question(s).

I have never heard of you auto Xing the car, only talking about it. So I figured you were talking about drag because that is what you do. So is it harder to drag race? If so, why?

Turbo engines are known to get good gas mileage while not in boost because you are not pumping extra fuel into the engine as you are not in boost for normal driving. I would be under the impression that if I had a stick that I could control the RPMS during normal driving. I would get horrible gas mileage if I were in boost the entire time, but I never drive like that.
Later, Kyle

Manual transmissions are always capable of better performance in almost any situation, but automatics are more consistent, hence their use in drag racing. Around a track an auto is useless because when you let off the throttle it will change up without permission.

And you're going to get crap fuel mileage no matter what you do. You don't have you engine tuned fully so its going to be spilling either too much or too little fuel in all the time. I am sure your AFC will help but not as much as a full tune. The manual gearbox will have a taller 5th or 6th gear but other than that its not a whole lot different as far as revs than the auto. But really, you're building a turbocharged car... this isn't ricer land where you get to brag about fuel mileage as an excuse as to why you lose a race, its the real world and from what you've done to your car fuel mileage is the last thing you should care about.

 

Manual transmissions are always capable of better performance in almost any situation, but automatics are more consistent, hence their use in drag racing. Around a track an auto is useless because when you let off the throttle it will change up without permission.

But really, you're building a turbocharged car... this isn't ricer land where you get to brag about fuel mileage as an excuse as to why you lose a race, its the real world and from what you've done to your car fuel mileage is the last thing you should care about.

Exactly.

Its easier to drag in my opinion than auto x or circle track. No ive done neither in the legend nor would i ever want to auto x a 3500LBS FWD sedan. Of course the easiest to configure for is 60+ freeway blasts.

Built auto=drag and normal everyday driving.
manual=racing most of the time anywhere.

manual can do drag, just not as efficient as the auto, auto doesnt do racing all that well.

Get a built auto or if its 2 pricy stick with a 5spd. Both with LSD.

Now if your next questions is about transmissions, or why i said 5 over 6spd i will personally come down there and drive your car myself to TYPERKON house and toss him the keys!

~TRu Hybrid

 

Haha
You guys are crackin me up! I just want an all-round performing car! Take an M5 for instance-the features/performance/reliability/economy of that car are sim. goals to what I am after. Yes, I am smart enough to know that for every pro the is a con. Do you honestly think that the guys at BMW were thinking lets build an M5 that makes 450 and gets 40MPG? That car is a balance just like mine will be. And no I am not going to go buy an M5 because I want the features of an M5-that is only used for comparison.
I dont care that much about gas mileage, but yes it matters(see the above example). I am not going to make excuses about loosing a race just because I say I am after good gas mileage-where do you get this stuff? I am wondering if the difference between a man. swap and and auto would cover the difference in price and time to do it. Why is this so hard to understand? How would you expect me not to know what you have said above? I am wanting exact differences between gas mileage from a auto compared to a man.? What are the end gearing ratios of each transmission 5sd, 6sp auto?That would be helpful information! On the last turbo setup I recorded 24-27MPG cruising@75mph on the highway.
The other question is.... why are even discussing auto X if it has never been a topic here?
DV8- the statement about an auto being more efficient in drag is not true. You know that man. allow more power to the wheels than an auto. Your best time is with an auto also so I would say that they do quite well racing, but I will assume that you were meaning Auto X?
No offence to you guys, but it feels like we reading different threads.
Cheers to more useful information!
Kyle

 

Go Bracket racing with an auto and then try it with a 5 or 6 speed. Guess who wins?

 

Haha
You guys are crackin me up! I just want an all-round performing car! Take an M5 for instance-the features/performance/reliability/economy of that car are sim. goals to what I am after. Yes, I am smart enough to know that for every pro the is a con. Do you honestly think that the guys at BMW were thinking lets build an M5 that makes 450 and gets 40MPG? That car is a balance just like mine will be. And no I am not going to go buy an M5 because I want the features of an M5-that is only used for comparison.
I dont care that much about gas mileage, but yes it matters(see the above example). I am not going to make excuses about loosing a race just because I say I am after good gas mileage-where do you get this stuff? I am wondering if the difference between a man. swap and and auto would cover the difference in price and time to do it. Why is this so hard to understand? How would you expect me not to know what you have said above? I am wanting exact differences between gas mileage from a auto compared to a man.? What are the end gearing ratios of each transmission 5sd, 6sp auto?That would be helpful information! On the last turbo setup I recorded 24-27MPG cruising@75mph on the highway.
The other question is.... why are even discussing auto X if it has never been a topic here?
DV8- the statement about an auto being more efficient in drag is not true. You know that man. allow more power to the wheels than an auto. Your best time is with an auto also so I would say that they do quite well racing, but I will assume that you were meaning Auto X?
No offence to you guys, but it feels like we reading different threads.
Cheers to more useful information!
Kyle

Im going to sound like DAVE C, here goes. Dont come to this section in the forum unless your willing to find out answers for yourself. Not everyone's interested researching everything for you. A built auto with this HOG of a car is better than the manual at drag racing, because theres not much to it. No worring about shifting, just set and go, but is expensive. The manual is much harder, because there are more things to have to control, however its way cheaper, about 2k cheaper. Doubt me and its obvious that you already know what you need to know and your wasting everyones time. You really think i havent already gone through all of this before, you really think your the first? Maybe with a turbo, but thats it. You will not get a better answer form anyone else.

Spend the money on an auto or use a Manual.
Im not going to explain detail because i dont want to, take it or leave it.

~TRu Hybrid

 

You dont have to worry about answering anymore of my questions.
I waive you of that responsibility from here on out. I thought we are all here to help each other, and I thought that some one might know that information off the top of their head. That is the only reason I asked.
Dont act so put out, but do try to ignore my comments and questions in the future.
Thanks, Kyle

 

You dont have to worry about answering anymore of my questions.
I waive you of that responsibility from here on out. I thought we are all here to help each other, and I thought that some one might know that information off the top of their head. That is the only reason I asked.
Dont act so put out, but do try to ignore my comments and questions in the future.
Thanks, Kyle

Know what kyle....what would be funny..if you had yours as a daily driver...and well, "the other one" as the full fledge racer with a turbo manual...then i think everyone would know.

Me and my friends will be building a VIS controller that lets you open the different flaps at what RPMS you want....cost...$10. True, true. :2cool:

 

My God, how young & immature you guys act.

I am put out, you post threads anytime the woods burning and most of the time its all nonsence, to top it all off you want everyone here to explain it in deatail for you. What happend to doing the research/work yourself...? Oh yea i forgot, you dont. You just watch, shell out cash and take the credit....


~TRu Hybrid

 

Gosh--what a waste of time all this bickering is.

We now have a fast naturally aspirated DV8, and a fast turbo KA7.
These are radical times in the history of our beloved Legend.
Let's keep the motivation strong and the comments thoughtful.

Peace,
Keith

 

Right on Keith. I visit this forum every day, and have been for years. It's the best on the web. But I will say that it can be a little harsh.

Look, just because someone may "talk" a little more or may not hold up to their commitments as much as another guy doesn't mean they deserve flaming or disrespect. We all have our "challenges". Yes, even DV8. Dude's incredible with his R&D, but probably not working in the customer relations department anywhere. And maybe sr79labrat isn't as good at R&D but just puts $$ into it? Who cares - it still advances the Legend aftermarket.

Any way you look at it, we can all be criticized (as I will be soon for writing this), but who cares? You can take or leave any of the info on the board, so just deal with it or move on.

 

Right on Keith. I visit this forum every day, and have been for years. It's the best on the web. But I will say that it can be a little harsh.

Look, just because someone may "talk" a little more or may not hold up to their commitments as much as another guy doesn't mean they deserve flaming or disrespect. We all have our "challenges". Yes, even DV8. Dude's incredible with his R&D, but probably not working in the customer relations department anywhere. And maybe sr79labrat isn't as good at R&D but just puts $$ into it? Who cares - it still advances the Legend aftermarket.

Any way you look at it, we can all be criticized (as I will be soon for writing this), but who cares? You can take or leave any of the info on the board, so just deal with it or move on.

Personally, I'd rather see people talk about somthing they've never done but have researched the hell out of. Two people come to mind(Bang & Ryan), than someone that knows little or what common sence tells him/her and just keeps paying up. I do work customer service, kind of. Being an I.T. Manager I have to please many. Here it's totally different, if you carry yourself as an innovator, then act like one by example.

~TRu Hybrid

 

Well DV8, I can't really disagree with you. And when it comes to innovation, there's nobody on this forum that could argue with you being #1. All I'm saying is that anyone is free to post pretty much whatever they want. BS or not. By the same token, you're free to rip them I suppose.

 

Well DV8, I can't really disagree with you. And when it comes to innovation, there's nobody on this forum that could argue with you being #1. All I'm saying is that anyone is free to post pretty much whatever they want. BS or not. By the same token, you're free to rip them I suppose.

The way i see it is that labrat isnt pretending he knows everything and is asking help...not from me you the next guy....but the guy with the most experience and performance regarding a swap. I believe labrat has gotten enough info about a page back to make up his mind...but we are talking a lot of money and he doesnt want to learn the hard way.

My two cents....in canadian?(if you want to rip me apart)

 

Well I had a huge post about everything and it got deleted so I'm just gonna say this. When they say "learning the hard way", they are talking about this exactly. In the long run, when you can shift faster than an auto, I will show you a green dog.

 

Well I had a huge post about everything and it got deleted so I'm just gonna say this. When they say "learning the hard way", they are talking about this exactly. In the long run, when you can shift faster than an auto, I will show you a green dog.

...so you're telling kyle to scrap the MT and go w/the auto like Dv8 and Dethred have been telling him for the past dozen-1/2 posts or so????
if i were him i'd do that...'cause like Hybrid said aiming for the twisties (where MT shines) in an almost 2 ton/FWD car is suicidal...

 

The way i see it is that labrat isnt pretending he knows everything and is asking help...not from me you the next guy....but the guy with the most experience and performance regarding a swap. I believe labrat has gotten enough info about a page back to make up his mind...but we are talking a lot of money and he doesnt want to learn the hard way.

My two cents....in canadian?(if you want to rip me apart)

Amen.
KTW

 

Amen.
KTW

So what have you decided?

Street/strip: Auto?
Street: Manual?

 

So what have you decided?

Street/strip: Auto?
Street: Manual?

Built auto for now until I can round up the parts for a man.
It is expensive but it should get the job done. It will have a tad bit more stall to it, and there are a few other tricks being done.
I did find a shop that is also alot cheaper and supposedly does better work.

Kyle

 

Very soon there will be details on exactly what will happen with the kit, how it will be done, and how much it will cost.
There will also be a few changes added as well as options available.
Start thinking!
Kyle