[swift]

hey kyle if you want a 5 speed i have one... you just have to buyt he other stuff i only have the tranny....

I may need it. Just a thought...give me a couple weeks and i will know for sure. Then i will rebuild mine for someone.

sorry for the hijack.

PS- spool up at 2k..........heck yah!

 

[misdeismo]

nice job. i was wondering how traction is under full throttle. are you getting a lot of wheelspin and/or torque steer?

 

[sr79labrat]

I think I am going with the auto anyhow.
Thanks for the offer!

I do have mad tq steer-and before second went out I would spin the tires pretty good from 1st to 2nd. Driving in the rain is just dangerous under WOT. It is a much different sensation then a fast RWD car.
Dyno #ers are on the website below with my dyno sheet.
Kyle

 

[Dv8]

In response to the dyno graph.

To people that know legends and understand dyno graphs, know that peak numbers mean nothing but bragging rights, its where the numbers fall within the powerband that dictates its application. Kyle hasnt clearly identified it to me yet.

As i applaud Kyle for yet again re-engieering his turbo set up to yeild far better results than his previous attempt, i still think the setup lacks one thing; useable TQ. All his TQ is generated from 4500+. While thats still great, the legend is a pig and drag racing it needs low RPM TQ. If he wants to go freeway racing by all means it will be great, but when it comes to a standing 1/4 mile its all about the first 60 ft. May i suggest a smaller turbo if you plan on drag racing.

Look at my dynos on page 3 of the dyno thread compare and contrast rpm vs TQ.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[KindBuddy]

In response to the dyno graph.

To people that know legends and understand dyno graphs, know that peak numbers mean nothing but bragging rights, its where the numbers fall within the powerband that dictates its application. Kyle hasnt clearly identified it to me yet.

As i applaud Kyle for yet again re-engieering his turbo set up to yeild far better results than his previous attempt, i still think the setup lacks one thing; useable TQ. All his TQ is generated from 4500+. While thats still great, the legend is a pig and drag racing it needs low RPM TQ. If he wants to go freeway racing by all means it will be great, but when it comes to a standing 1/4 mile its all about the first 60 ft. May i suggest a smaller turbo if you plan on drag racing.

Look at my dynos on page 3 of the dyno thread compare and contrast rpm vs TQ.

~TRu Hybrid

What kind of 1/4 times do you think Kyle would put up?

 

[Dv8]

What kind of 1/4 times do you think Kyle would put up?

Probably one with a high MPH.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[sr79labrat]

DV8- Thank you.
I do think that it would be great to have 200+ft lbs of tq off idle but that is always a disadvantage of a large turbo. Bragging rights are always nice, but the car is alot faster than stock-that is all I was after anyhow. This once again falls into one of my first complaints. THat the turbo is to big, and that it was not my choice to get it. I wanted at most a T3/T4 to spool faster because I knew that getting this car off the line would kill me. Now I still have the $750 beast so I figured that I would use it. On the bright side larger turbos are supposed to increase engine life and produce the best topend power. I think that if I have a stall converter, LSD and possibly a 30-50 shot of juice I would easily keep up with you, but until that point comes.... 12s(corrected) are not that far off. Alot of people think tq or hp win a race, but it just comes down to how you are racing the car(Like you said). I think that it is a good balance that wins the race. The easiest way that I have heard it is that tq sustains hp, and hp is the ability to pull the engine speed up. I know there are a million different ways to describe it. That being said-it really only matters that I have the tq that low for the first 60ft. After that I dont know if the car is below 4k under WOT shifts. A smaller turbo would be the most cost effective solution for the best 1/4mile time right now, but it would also die off in the end of the 1/4. I am willing to push the turbo to its limits as well as the engine. I think we can see a numbers hovering in the 500 area. This will be a good test for the Legend to see if it is what it is.
I would estimate my corrected times to be in the mid to upper 14s here corrected that would be 13s. I am also wondering why you numbers have a wave motion to them, and if you can feel that while driving the car?
Until later.
Kyle

 

[william_s]

hey kyle.... that's great to hear... but i was wondering did you ever fig out how many psi your were pushing... maybe i missed it early but i don't remeber reading about it... i will check your site to see the sheets too...

and once again congrats!!!

 

[Dv8]

DV8- Thank you.
I do think that it would be great to have 200+ft lbs of tq off idle but that is always a disadvantage of a large turbo. Bragging rights are always nice, but the car is alot faster than stock-that is all I was after anyhow. This once again falls into one of my first complaints. THat the turbo is to big, and that it was not my choice to get it. I wanted at most a T3/T4 to spool faster because I knew that getting this car off the line would kill me. Now I still have the $750 beast so I figured that I would use it. On the bright side larger turbos are supposed to increase engine life and produce the best topend power. I think that if I have a stall converter, LSD and possibly a 30-50 shot of juice I would easily keep up with you, but until that point comes.... 12s(corrected) are not that far off. Alot of people think tq or hp win a race, but it just comes down to how you are racing the car(Like you said). I think that it is a good balance that wins the race. The easiest way that I have heard it is that tq sustains hp, and hp is the ability to pull the engine speed up. I know there are a million different ways to describe it. That being said-it really only matters that I have the tq that low for the first 60ft. After that I dont know if the car is below 4k under WOT shifts. A smaller turbo would be the most cost effective solution for the best 1/4mile time right now, but it would also die off in the end of the 1/4. I am willing to push the turbo to its limits as well as the engine. I think we can see a numbers hovering in the 500 area. This will be a good test for the Legend to see if it is what it is.
I would estimate my corrected times to be in the mid to upper 14s here corrected that would be 13s. I am also wondering why you numbers have a wave motion to them, and if you can feel that while driving the car?
Until later.
Kyle

That wave in my 80 shot nitrous dyno is a combo of things. First its the ECU tring to figure out wether to advance or retard the timming, next its the nature of an instant on shot of nitrous and lastly its the condition so rich it had adverse affects. i was using the smallest Fuel jet NOS makes, the SAFC pulling fuel out and the FPR was set low and still had way too much fuel as indicated by the A/F ratio. you will see this ECUs problems the more HP you make. i can already see that your power production is slightly choppy, this is the ECU making timming adjustments.
Ive since dumped the direct port kit and entered into the world of computer controlled nitrous semi dry/fogger system. There is a setting that actually allows me to pulse the injectors and nitrous solenoid for that turbo like powerband, or turbo mode, and people though i was taking it easy. :2cool:

Good job and good luck to you!

~TRu Hybrid

 

[92drls]

Welp, sounds to me like a definite 13 sec car now. What do you have planned for traction? LSD, bars, suspension.......with slicks that stall is gonna bog down like grandma.

 

[sr79labrat]

I am still trying to decide on what exactly I want to do.....man. or auto.
I have to see what I can round up.
KTW

 

[mrkeith]

Why would a high stall torque converter bog down with slicks?

 

[Dv8]

Why would a high stall torque converter bog down with slicks?

Because if the stall isnt high enough the turbo may no boost enough. The slicks will grip and there isnt enough power. 2300 is too low for slicks.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[mrkeith]

Because if the stall isnt high enough the turbo may no boost enough. The slicks will grip and there isnt enough power. 2300 is too low for slicks.

~TRu Hybrid

Ah, I see.
Where do you launch with the 6-speed?

k.

 

[Dv8]

Ah, I see.
Where do you launch with the 6-speed?

k.

I havent had very good success with launching the manual because of the 6spd flywheel, but generally 2k, mostly because my TQ kicks in real early. Once the sliks are on and warmed up on the 5spd, the phantom should allow for 3-4k launches, im sure as i probably will have lost TQ due to the headers.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[sr79labrat]

I havent had very good success with launching the manual because of the 6spd flywheel, but generally 2k, mostly because my TQ kicks in real early. Once the sliks are on and warmed up on the 5spd, the phantom should allow for 3-4k launches, im sure as i probably will have lost TQ due to the headers.

~TRu Hybrid

Are you talking about times(success)? If so what are your number looking like? Does your LSD give out at higher RPM? Did you have better times on the auto?
Thanks, KTW

 

[Dv8]

Are you talking about times(success)? If so what are your number looking like? Does your LSD give out at higher RPM? Did you have better times on the auto?
Thanks, KTW

Yes and no, i havent done a NOS run at that track since 2003. There's no use if i cant even catch traction N/A. The phantom grip give me better cornering acceleration for now. the 6spd flywheel completly ruined my launches so i cant give the phantom a fair assesment. My last N/A trap speed was 97 MPH but that had nothing to do with the phantom.

Bottom line, never use a 6spd flywheel if you want to have a lot of power to the wheels. Check "shes alive" thread for updates on my new setup.

~TRu Hybrid

 

[sr79labrat]

DV8,

What LSD did you get? I may look into this, but as far as I can see there is not one for the G2 Legend.

A frickin auto build up will cost 4Gs=Craziness!!!!
Makes me want to do a custom RWD setup on a OD GM tranny.

I have no idea what to do That is a crap load for a tranny!

Thanks! Kyle

 

[GSteg]

DV8,

What LSD did you get? I may look into this, but as far as I can see there is not one for the G2 Legend.

Some guy on here was custom making them I believe. Ask Kenso. He has LSD.

 

[Banana!]

Just some info for anybody who wants to read this entire thread, but thinks it'll take forever and a day, i just read the entire thread from page 1 in approx 2 hours .