[william_s]

i just re-read the set up.... damn it's a pretty nice set up.... the only thing i would change is the xs BOV.....

everyone shoudl go HKS..... or if you wanna be heard RFL BOV!!!.... hhahahha

if you haven't heard on the RFL.... it's short for really fcuking loud!!! hahhahaha

 

[sr79labrat]

hey labrat...

i was wondering you said it will run rich do to the FMU no being able to handle the a/f so if you put on the SAFC it should be able to lean out and the ratios shoudl be fine.....

.....with alil more tuning that is.... right?

The FMU increases the fuel pressure proportionate to the boost, but it does not modify the fuel flow like you can with an safc. The safc will fix the problem to an extent. It is obviously not a stand alone system but it gets the job done. The right way to do it would be to get bigger fuel injectors with an SAFC or a standalone. Then again I ran the FMU and SAFC for 15k without a hiccup and a crap kit.
KTW

 

[sr79labrat]

i just re-read the set up.... damn it's a pretty nice set up.... the only thing i would change is the xs BOV.....

everyone shoudl go HKS..... or if you wanna be heard RFL BOV!!!.... hhahahha

if you haven't heard on the RFL.... it's short for really fcuking loud!!! hahhahaha

You could send us that BOV if you wanted to have it on your car instead of the XS. We are trying to keep it simple and not break the bank.
KTW
It is a good deal, I have seen other sim. kits for 4500 ish!!!

 

[sr79labrat]

Wil,
Parts breakdown goes like this. If you(anyone) can get a better price let me know. It would make everyones kit cheaper. What we budged out was a tad high but if we can cut it back I would still be happy to drop the price.
$150 ESM
$100 Fan
$160 Fuel Pump
$145 FMU
$230 Piping
$250 FMIC
$630-760 Turbo
$300 Flanges
$215 Wastegate
$120 BOV
$60 K& N
$250 Jet Hot Coating
So, $2740 total on the high side. This leaves room for shipping,unseen cost, ect.
Peace, Kyle

 

[Fricker]

Keith,

However, you will be cutting and drilling into your car for the install. Thanks, Kyle

I know that will have to drill holes for mounting everything but can you give us an idea of what is being cut?

 

[sr79labrat]

I know that will have to drill holes for mounting everything but can you give us an idea of what is being cut?

The hole under the stock air box location will be enlarged quite a bit.
That is it for now.
KTW

 

[sr79labrat]

How many of these will be availible? Also will the kit be universal for auto/manual, type 1/type2, tcs/non tcs?

The first kit will be for a sedan/auto. I am looking further into the differences between the other combos and their differences.
KTW

 

[swift]

golf clap...golf clap.


Guys, kyle was nice enough to price out each part even...how much more can u ask for. If you want a particular blow off valve or turbo i am sure he can work with you on it. My friends tell me to go with an HKS because it sounds like a squirrel..hahahaha.

 

[Fricker]

I am just so anxious to get this thing on my car!!! I ask a lot of questions because I know my dad will be on my case about what kind of mods I will need to do to get this to fit...ie. cutting the airbox hole and drilling. I really appreciate the time you are taking to answer all my questions and correcting tuning of the turbo.

 

[sr79labrat]

Not a problem-my dad still asks me the same questions.
Really it will be pretty easy if you have done minor Remove and Replace work before. There is a tad bit of wiring as well. I might tell you to take a weekend and do it when you have 2 days so you can drive it the next week. When we have sufficient directions and a test car we will have a more accurate description of time and jobs to do when installing the kit.
Thanks, Kyle

 

[william_s]

long ass question.... soory kyle

1 comptec ESM $150 - what is this?
1 small cooling fan $100 - where is this placed?
1 walbro fuel pump $160 -
1 vortec FMU $145 - is this the best for the kit or just good and best price?
1 front mount intercooler - what brand?
1 turbo T4 or T3/T4 $630-760 - i assume turbonectics?
2 log style manifolds(blowthrough design)mild steel - you are the man!
1 tial or turbonetics wastegate $215 -
1 turbo xs blow off valve $120 (good price) - i understand
1 K & N air filter $60 - what filter will it be for stock? SR? CAI? does it matter?

$250 Jet Hot Coating - will it give a chrome look? what will the look be like?
$230 Piping - :bowdown: your too cool...
$250 FMIC - what is this?
$300 Flanges - just cool....

i know some of the q's are dumb but i can't think right now... if you can answer that would be great!

and witht he answers can you get me the brand and specs on the items... so i can check the pricing... maybe i can get the items for cheaper or if anyone wants to upgrade i can get it done for you...

if you can get this for me kyle that would be great!!! i just need to knwo stuff like wastegate, intercooler, turbo.... you know what mean... thanks!!!

 

[sr79labrat]

1 comptec ESM $150 - what is this?
****An ESM is a electronic signal modifier, and it relays a signal to the ECU that is inside the readings/parameters so that the MAP sensor does not see boost
1 small cooling fan $100 - where is this placed?
****in front of the radiator and you will be removing the stock fan on the pass. side(Summit)
1 walbro fuel pump $160 - (HP Freaks)
1 vortec FMU $145 -(Summit) is this the best for the kit or just good and best price?
****the best FMU that I know of, but the best idea for fuel management is a standalone with injectors
1 front mount intercooler - what brand?
****to be determined-we may buy the cores and weld them together ourselves-dont be suprised if you see labrats something or other on them
1 turbo T4 or T3/T4 $630-760 - i assume turbonectics?
****yes, or garrett just depends what you the consumer want-I have not heard bad from either of these companies
2 log style manifolds(blowthrough design)mild steel - you are the man!
1 tial or turbonetics wastegate $215 - (various dealers-38mm)
1 turbo xs blow off valve $120 (good price) - i understand(summit)
1 K & N air filter $60 - what filter will it be for stock? SR? CAI? does it matter?
****no it dosnt matter, it is one of the bigger filters-that is why it is 60 instead of 40.(Summit)
$250 Jet Hot Coating - will it give a chrome look? what will the look be like?
****you have choices here, you can go for the chrome look or you can get flat black/blue/grey or gray?(long time since I passed K)haha The other portion of this is that the flat colors do a better job with being functional. They have a higher rating for the heat, but I agree the chrome looks good!
$230 Piping - :bowdown: your too cool...(Summit)
$250 FMIC - what is this?
****Front Mount InterCooler
$300 Flanges - just cool.... (My choice machine shop)

i know some of the q's are dumb but i can't think right now... if you can answer that would be great!

and witht he answers can you get me the brand and specs on the items... so i can check the pricing... maybe i can get the items for cheaper or if anyone wants to upgrade i can get it done for you...

if you can get this for me kyle that would be great!!! i just need to knwo stuff like wastegate, intercooler, turbo.... you know what mean... thanks!!!

****
Wil,
Let me know what you find! I dont mind the questions-I am sure there are more people that want the same info. Just remember that we are not being as cheap as possible, but we want to be as cost effective as possible. If you want show looks or balls to the wall performance we can do whatever you want. Everything will have its price. The good idea for just doing the baseline kit is that we will have replacement parts that should need no modification when replacement is needed. This should be kept in mind as well.
Later, Kyle

 

[Mikey851]

Hey Kyle, I'm assuming this kit will get better with time, and right now I'm just working on saving up, so I guess down the road the more true representation of the kit will be exposed once you have it all tested and everything. Here's my question though, is it possible that you create the kit minus the turbo, because that is the only thing I can get cheaper at this point through a guy I'm good friends with here in Houston? My estimation (if you can do the aforementioned) is that i'll have the money needed in the next two months. Is this a reasonable time to imagine purchasing a kit from you? Let me know, I'm very serious

 

[SURPMSC]

That kit is trash and overpriced, you should offer better if you don't want "as cheap as possible."

 

[Shaylord]

That kit is trash and overpriced, you should offer better if you don't want "as cheap as possible."

Why do you think it is trash, I don t know a lot bout turbos, would like to know why you think that and what you would change

 

[SURPMSC]

1 comptec ESM $150
Okay. What are you going to do about fuel management?

1 vortec FMU
omg, what a cheap half ass way of controlling fuel. Get a FPR, pump, injectors, and then use a brand name fuel management system.

1 small cooling fan $100 - where is this placed
For what? What is this for? Cooling for? What are you talking about? Cooling fan for the turbo? Why not use a turbo heat sheild or blanket, alot more effective and just as cost efficient.

1 walbro fuel pump $160 -
Walbro's suck, they lose way too much LPH pressure when volts fluctuate. And lets see, $160? Thats a rip off, go to ebay and get one for $100 SHIPPED. But I wouldn't cause it sucks.

1 turbo T4 or T3/T4 $630-760 -
Please tell us what kind of turbo? Will the fitment be okay? spool up, ball bearing wet float?

2 log style manifolds(blowthrough design)mild steel -
Regular Mild steel isnt a good material to use for exhaust manifolds. Log style isnt good for spool up and/or maximum power. Have fun with that. Stainless steel has higher coefficient of thermal expansion and is ALOT more resistance to rust then Mild Steel. Plus stainless is blingy and looks nice.

1 turbo xs blow off valve $120 (good price) -
Nice, getting a blow off valve that is rediculously loud and that can't hold boost.

FMIC Piping? etc? Are they going the be beadrolled? Hose clamps? What kind? Roll, or t-bolts?

Where the v-bands, downpipe, midpipe etc. Will the intercooler pipes clear the bumper? Will the FMIC clear the bumper? Will there be any fitment problems? Injectors, you'll need to go bigger if you were to increase power. You will also need fuel management and dyno/street tuning. What about a boost controller, greedy unit? Blitz, apexi? Whos going to wire all that up for you. And most of all do you know how to use them?

Where are going to going to tap the lines for oil feed and oil return? Are you going to drop the upper pan in order to tap for the oil return? What about the metal shavings if you were to drill.

It isnt as easy as everyone here thinks it is.

 

[Shaylord]

i know it isnt easy, i never have done anything with turbocharging be4 thats y i asked your opion of the kit, what would you change the parts you dont like too?

 

[SURPMSC]

i know it isnt easy, i never have done anything with turbocharging be4 thats y i asked your opion of the kit, what would you change the parts you dont like too?

Thats fine, I wasn't after you at all.

I would revamp the whole fuel system. Injectors, Fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump. I would also considering getting a piggy back (Greddy Emanage, Apexi SAFC II) or even a standlone ECU made for the Acura NSX.

I would also get tubular exhaust stainless steel manifolds instead of straight log manifolds. Although this will be very hard and expensive.

There are many many details that I can get into but im lazy and im at work. So yeah. Its not easy and its not cheap end of story. Thats why kyle's legend is slow and spools at 90,000 rpm.

 

[Shaylord]

ive been trying to think of way to upgrade ingition system, maybe coils from an nsx or adapting coils from a 600RR

 

[Mikey851]

thank you Idrewfelix, you've made me realize I'm just being lazy and not thinking things over. I've made turbo kits before with good results, of course not on the Legend, and I didn't stop for a second to think and realize that I can probably come up with something on my own, which to me is more fulfilling. There are many things I would like different in the kit as well. I just see all of this about the e-manifold and was under the impression he was getting good results, so I was interested in those, but all of the other components I'd like some different things, and I definately am going with an Apex SAFC II.

I don't mean this to knock the kit, I just realized I was trying to take the easy way out with the comment above, without any real proof that it's worth it. I hope it developes into something though.