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You want a turbo? Then read this post.

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I talked to a guy at Innovative Turbo Solutions and he said he could customize a turbocharger for an Acura Legend for $4,000. But if I got a group buy going at the start of the project, he said it would dramatically reduce the price. Check out his website and you can see he can make pretty much any turbo with any amount of performance needed. Want an intercooled twin-turbo? He can do it. Of course he will need a donor car. Hopefully there is someone close to Dayton, Ohio that can lend their's.

I don't have a G2 Legend yet, just a G1. So I'm probably not the best person to get a group buy going. But if someone with group buy experience could lead this project, then I'll follow. Who knows, if we get enough people, the price could be reduced to $3,000 or even $2,000. Someone please volunteer to lead.
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Money is scarce and we all know that we can get a custom set up for a lot of money.

So far from the website I see he is more familiar with the domestic scene. I am skeptical about things like these. Sure he can do it but can he do it efficiently? Will he make custom headers and all that for 4000?

I am waiting for headers to come out so we can have an idea of the time and effort it would take to pursue this project.

One Step at a Time

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He said he can do headers too. I guess they do it all.
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Do you think we could have a statement from him stating what he plans to perform?

I would be intersted in what he has to say.
i would be very interested as well. can you get what he plans on doing for $4000. leave the specifics
turbo

i would definitely want a turbo over a supercharger and i would definitely be into a group buy. how much more power would we be getting?
If you go to their webpage and look at what they offer for Dodge Neon turbos, we can probably get similar setups. I'm not sure how much more power we'll be getting, but probably a lot! With a stage III you would see at least a 100hp increase. Get some headwork on your engine and you'll see even greater power. You'll for sure have to get an AFC after a turbo, to get the full benefits of forced induction. Just look at their Dodge Neon specifics to get an idea of what we'll be getting.
I say until he has looked in the engine bay of the G2, don't make any promises. You cannot possibly give an estimate until all of the bugs are worked out, etc.
it would be nice if its that easy, though.

one day soon
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wow we musta had an explosion of votes!

Mr. Millette do you have anything to do with this?:giggle:

anyways once he gets a look into our engine bays he will be in for a big surprise
Stratoknight said:
wow we musta had an explosion of votes!

Mr. Millette do you have anything to do with this?:giggle:

anyways once he gets a look into our engine bays he will be in for a big surprise
hmmmm, not me...lol
Whats with all the votes, jeez! I don't want a supercharger because I here their a pain in the ass to maintain. It's like having another engine to take care of. And since it's like another engine, you don't know what the reliability is going to be like. I'd rather have a turbo because you don't need to take care of it at all, and it will improve your mileage, emissions (though emissions aren't a problem with Legends), and performance much more than a supercharger will. Turbos are a free lunch, supers are an expensive snack.
Don't superchargers provide more torque for our cars though? And since our cars are slower at launch, Turbo lag wouldn't be a problem with them right?
just some knowledge...choice is yours

Whats with all the votes, jeez! I don't want a supercharger because I here their a pain in the ass to maintain. It's like having another engine to take care of. And since it's like another engine, you don't know what the reliability is going to be like. I'd rather have a turbo because you don't need to take care of it at all, and it will improve your mileage, emissions (though emissions aren't a problem with Legends), and performance much more than a supercharger will. Turbos are a free lunch, supers are an expensive snack.
Hey man, welcome!
this is not an attack...just want you to be informed....

Anytime you modify your drivetrain, you will have to be prepared for ANY added maintenance or expenses. And who told you a turbo was less hassle to maintain?

First of all, there is a HELL of a lot of piping involved with a turbo.
More piping = more space
Now, again, take a peek in a G2 engine bay. Not much room.
Now, with room as a problem, you face making a counterproductive setup = less hp than stock.

Secondly, a turbo kit for this car is going to require extensive research, [yes an s/c will too, but it has many more advantages] and many other upgrades...if it was as easy as 4k, I am sure many folks would be all over it

third, turbos *are* higher maintenance

While the turbocharger is a mechanically simple device, it demands careful maintenance to keep it operating at optimum efficiency. The area between the hot and cold sides contains a bearing that carries the shaft that connects the compressor and exhaust turbines. This assembly can spin at upwards of 100,000 rpm, and the only thing separating it from catastrophic failure is a thin film of oil. Therefore, proper lubrication, including regular oil and filter changes, is important. In addition, use only oil designed for turbocharged diesel engines (i.e., SF-DD) on each oil container. And as both ends of the shaft have seals to prevent oil from leaving the bearing housing or to prevent exhaust or pressurized air from entering it, these locations should be inspected on a regular basis.
http://powerandmotoryacht.about.com/library/weekly/february02/aa020402a.htm

also

http://www.thecarguy.com/articles/turbo.htm

The TRD Supercharger is advertised to be maintenance free and have a service life of 100,000 miles. I have been told by the folks at Magnuson who kit the supercharger for TRD that there are a couple things you can do to make it last much longer. You can change the oil in the nose drive and replace the nose drive with an overhauled unit.
1. How does a supercharger work? A supercharger is a positive displacement pump. Its purpose is to supply an excess volume of intake air to the engine by increasing air pressure and density in the intake manifold. The supercharger is matched to the engine by its displacement and belt ratio, and can provide excess airflow at any engine speed.
This concentrated charge of air provided by the supercharger results in a more powerful combustion stroke in the engine's cylinders.

2. How is a supercharger different from a turbocharger? A supercharger is connected directly to the crankshaft by a belt unlike a turbocharger which is driven by exhaust gases. The improved horsepower and torque, at lower engine rpm's, is obtained by pumping extra air into the engine in direct relationship to crankshaft speed. The positive connection
yields instant response, in contrast to turbochargers, which must
overcome inertia and spin up to speed as the flow of exhaust gas
increases. The supercharger is a way to get around 'Turbo lag". The lubrication system also differs in that, the supercharger is self-contained whereas the turbocharger requires engine oil.

http://www.gadgetonline.com/Supernose.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~extreme_tbird/super1.html

good luck buddy
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god, the newbies come up and want to argue over a turbo.....:****:
if you search there already was a G1 owner that turboed his car for around 4500, i think his screen name was golden legend or something. The tuner guy said he would make more.



Centrifugal Supercharger is the only feesable way of constant boost, both in money and aplication use.

If you dont know what that all means do your homework.


~Hybrid
How much gain could be seen with a supercharger?

Because I hear some of the people involved in the supercharger project say it will only increase about 50hp.

50hp seems kind of small, could this be because of the engineering or because of our engine?

If we got a professionally customized supercharger, would that be a better idea (performance and reliability wise)?

Why would the G2 engine be not-so-great with a turbo?
Shadowfax said:
How much gain could be seen with a supercharger?

Because I hear some of the people involved in the supercharger project say it will only increase about 50hp.

50hp seems kind of small, could this be because of the engineering or because of our engine?

If we got a professionally customized supercharger, would that be a better idea (performance and reliability wise)?

Why would the G2 engine be not-so-great with a turbo?
An SC can yeild a lot of HP as well. NSX SCs are getting about 400 HP to the wheels out of the 3.0L 270 HP engine. This is about 150 WHP increase. While I don't expect the Legend will see nearly that much, HP can be made.
our *tuned* s/c setup should yield a decent 100-125 WHEEL HP increase. That means you can be putting down anywhere from 275 to 325 whp. Nothing to sneeze at......and there is no issues with lag, etc
Yep. The 6PSI S/C on my friend's Prelude makes an additional 118HP. So, I would expect the Legend to see a gain in excess of 100WHP and 100 ft/lbs.

BTW, that guy that quoted $4000 for a G2, run from him as fast as you can.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe the G2 may not make 100HP, my friend's Prelude is coming on VTEC at 2700 RPM which really helps that forced motor breath.......sh*t, we don't have VTEC, and running a cam with advanced intake timing and increased lift would be the only way to duplicate the gains seen on a VTEC motor, hmmmm, OK, maybe 75HP.......but the torque would still be pretty high.
Wow Leon- I'm really glad that I read your post discussing to these people the advantages/technical aspects of adapting a supercharger to the G2 Legend... I thought that I would have to go into *dickhead*mode for a minute, given my little patience... Hold down the fort buddy, and tell me when you're ready to get to work...

The time is soon, hopefully... Have you talked to KMS about some help yet, and what we're going to need?
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