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sam o nela 10-05-07 08:31 PM

CAI vs Short Ram...an un-scientific approach...
 
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Beeze 10-05-07 08:46 PM

Very Nice write up Gabe,
this is similar to the CAI I am in the planning stages of...except mine involves a short ram straight to a 90 degree coupler by the batt connecting to a 90 degree pipe to the fender well...again thanx for this experiment very informational...:)

GrtOutdoorsAZ 10-05-07 09:53 PM

yea that was awesome to see the actual temps...thanks for the write-up

very curious to see what I'm reading out here in sunny AZ...I bet my under hood is like 150 when it's 100 outside! where's a Rangerjoe CAI when you need one! guess I dont have to worry about hydrolock too much!

Xcaliber003 10-06-07 03:17 AM

Nice writeup. IMHO it should be a sticky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam o nela (Post 1135451)
........In short, I will be adding cold air to the stock air box in an attempt to stop biting my nails thinking about hydrolock come the first heavy rain storm.

That's what I have on mine. I bought an OEM K&N filter and decided I still wanted some of the benefits of CAI.

BTW I know this is way off topic but do you have a write up or parts list for an auto trans to man trans swap?

Ken 10-06-07 04:13 AM

lol and I just put my stock resonator and last section of the stock intake back on like 5 mins ago. oh well, ive been through 4 intake setups before.

Jay P 10-06-07 04:59 AM

lookin cool
 
Hey nice, I vote keep the PVC, those elbows are pleasing, kinda doubt it will deform due to heat. When bending PVC electrical conduit one has to heat the crap out of it.

Do you worry about rain with cai? It pisses here in the winter.

Does it prolong engine warm up in cold weather? My car does 80miles/week of short trips in the burbs, I'd rather it warm up sooner rather than later.

What filter to use? I thought K&Ns are the way to go, better filtration and flow than paper.

I was once told the best is a conical filter crammed into the stock box, I fail to see how that would be better than a drop in K&N.

Any thought on the above?

cheers, Jay

music2bmurderedby 10-06-07 06:33 AM

yes my front bumper is in need of paint --- but besides that ... k&n drop in in the stock airbox with cold air coming straight into it via the front of vehicle (rammed air so to speak), & a friend of mine with an injen air intake would always beat me by about 1/4 to 1/2 a car b4 i did this ... i shit you not it is now the other way around. he paid $180.00 to get under the hood air, i paid $40.00 for the k&n & less than 10 for the aluminum 3" dryer hookup pipe & used a plastic piece from my yard blower that i will never use anyway. cheap or whatever you may call it, the power increase IS noticable & proven & it DOES give off a nice growl under the hood
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Ken 10-06-07 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay P (Post 1135689)

What filter to use? I thought K&Ns are the way to go, better filtration and flow than paper.

Its actually less filtration and better flow. Can't have the good without the bad ya kno?

awelliott 10-06-07 11:49 AM

Nice writeup. Couple of questions: first, exactly where does your CAI end? Second, what are you using for filtration? Thanks...

sam o nela 10-06-07 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xcaliber003 (Post 1135651)
BTW I know this is way off topic but do you have a write up or parts list for an auto trans to man trans swap?

Hmmm...I believe there is an informal tranny swap post by Legend_Master in the FAQ....if not I will add it right now....but I'm pretty sure its there...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay P (Post 1135689)
Do you worry about rain with cai? It pisses here in the winter.

Does it prolong engine warm up in cold weather?

What filter to use? I thought K&Ns are the way to go, better filtration and flow than paper.

I was once told the best is a conical filter crammed into the stock box, I fail to see how that would be better than a drop in K&N.

Any thought on the above?

cheers, Jay

~I do worry about rain because there are some places in my area that are notorious for flooding come the first heavy rain. I know for a fact that my CAI will only be protected for so long by the splash shield and I've seen way too many horror stories on car forums...I know I could get a bypass valve, but I'd rather be safe than sorry...my next experiment will test the air temp difference between the CAI and cold air routed into the stock air box.

~I think that ambient temperature would affect your warm up time more than the CAI. I've had this intake on for over a week now and yesterday was the first day I noticed a longer time to warm up...but it was 60 degrees out when for the past few months it's been in the mid 70s every single day...

~Yeah I am using a regular paper air filter for a 91 Prelude...I trust the paper much more and I knew this setup would only be temporary. And regarding the Conical shoved into the stock airbox. Nikhai has this setup on his coupe and it does work, the only problem is though that I believe the stock filter or the drop in has more filtration area...either way I've just never been a fan of oiled-gauze filters...like Ken said, its a trade off...more flow with less filtration :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by music2bmurderedby (Post 1135700)
k&n drop in in the stock airbox with cold air coming straight into it via the front of vehicle (rammed air so to speak), & a friend of mine with an injen air intake would always beat me by about 1/4 to 1/2 a car b4 i did this ... i shit you not it is now the other way around. he paid $180.00 to get under the hood air, i paid $40.00 for the k&n & less than 10 for the aluminum 3" dryer hookup pipe & used a plastic piece from my yard blower that i will never use anyway. cheap or whatever you may call it, the power increase IS noticable & proven & it DOES give off a nice growl under the hood
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-...070/caiUNA.jpg

Yes this is the California CAI that Erik (body9599) did way back when...this is kind of what I am planning to do, but minus the hose in the fender well...if one ever has to go through a deep enough puddle, that hose might become a straw :paranoid:

Quote:

Originally Posted by awelliott (Post 1135723)
Nice writeup. Couple of questions: first, exactly where does your CAI end? Second, what are you using for filtration? Thanks...

My setup ends as most peoples'...in the fender well with the resonator removed (been removed for quite a while actually hahaha) and protected from the elements by the splash shield. Also I am using this paper filter....

Stock Filter for a 91 Honda Prelude
http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/B100057378FUL.JPG

Its a great paper filter...like I said I'm not much into oiled-gauze and I've had this filter on the intake for my wife's Infiniti for a long time now and its still going strong...plus I have no gripes about paying $6.99 every other oil change to change it out rather than having to clean and re-oil....

Thanks for all the great comments guys!

l4zy415 10-06-07 01:44 PM

great write up gabe i mean teacher lol :giggle: my filter is foam, is that a good thing to use. plus its pretty easy to clean it up.

sam o nela 10-06-07 01:49 PM

:hide: Hate to tell you this man, but I have read in the past that foam is probably the worst in terms of filtration....

l4zy415 10-06-07 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam o nela (Post 1135757)
:hide: Hate to tell you this man, but I have read in the past that foam is probably the worst in terms of filtration....

damn well thats a kick on the nuts :nutkick:

Beeze 10-06-07 02:24 PM

What is the diameter of those PVC elbows, what size are those couplers, and where did you get them?

sam o nela 10-06-07 03:02 PM

3" 90 degree turns, 3" couplers, bought everything at Ace for about $20


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