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Old 09-09-20, 01:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Movement In The Right Rear Wheel.

Hello once again,

This is more of a 'please confirm' post than anything.

I'm quite sure that I have a wheel bearing issue. Either that or a loose hub nut. The issue is located on the right rear wheel of the car. I have checked all the suspension linkages. I have also checked the shock absorber when the car is on or off the jack stands. There is no play.

Though there are none of the sounds or vibrations associated with a rear wheel bearing issue, the wheel can be moved when the car is up in the air.

If you hold the wheel in the north/south position, then it can be tilted inwards and outwards. The brakes move along with it as well. If you hold the wheel in the east/west position, the wheel and brakes do not move.

Thus, I suspect a wheel bearing is bad. Is my diagnosis correct? Or would the loose hub nut make more sense? Or maybe both?
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Update.

In an attempt to generate some more insight, I mounted the wheel with the hub dust cover and brakes off the car, and attempted to recreate the movement.

I no longer think it's the wheel bearings. If it were, only the hub would move, right? I am certain the spindle (and brake dust cover) also moves along with it. So it must be the suspension. Right?

The hub itself moves well, with no play nor abnormalities.
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If there is no noise while driving, it has to be the suspension, I think. Mostly a hub bearing make noise, if it is worn.

You have to check the upper and lower arm, especialy the ball joint.

I have already renewed all the upper and lower arms on my Legend.

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If there is no noise while driving, it has to be the suspension, I think. Mostly a hub bearing make noise, if it is worn.

You have to check the upper and lower arm, especialy the ball joint.

I have already renewed all the upper and lower arms on my Legend.

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Thank you for the interesting insight. I've checked the boot on the balljoints, and they seem to be fine. Though, I haven't checked the condition of the ball joints themselves. I will take a look at them at a later day.
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It's a good idea to take a second person to do that. You have to rattle at the wheel. The other person hast to touch and feel movement at the ball joint.

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It's a good idea to take a second person to do that. You have to rattle at the wheel. The other person hast to touch and feel movement at the ball joint.

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I checked the ball joints today. I took the wheel off and proceeded to grab the brake disk and shake it. There is movement on the upper control arm, but not on the lower.

Thank you for the tip though! I shall also do that.
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It's a good idea to take a second person to do that. You have to rattle at the wheel. The other person hast to touch and feel movement at the ball joint.

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I checked the ball joints today. I took the wheel off and proceeded to grab the brake disk and shake it. There is movement on the upper control arm, but not on the lower.

Thank you for the tip though! I shall also do that.
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It's a good idea to take a second person to do that. You have to rattle at the wheel. The other person hast to touch and feel movement at the ball joint.

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I checked the ball joints today. I took the wheel off and proceeded to grab the brake disk and shake it. There is movement on the upper control arm, but not on the lower.

Thank you for the tip though! I shall also do that.

Update: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PmuZ1cLrgJFkDmq48

I hope this link works. It's a video of the rear upper left ball joint moving. I'm sure this isn't normal.

Do I replace just this one, or is it better to replace both sides at the same time?

(Please pardon the message repeats above; I can't remove them).
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That ist clear with the movement. Since the original wishbones are no longer available, I only change the defective part.

Check the meassure of the aftermarket part to the original to be shure that it fit well.

I leave original parts as long as I could in the car.

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That ist clear with the movement. Since the original wishbones are no longer available, I only change the defective part.

Check the meassure of the aftermarket part to the original to be shure that it fit well.

I leave original parts as long as I could in the car.

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Thank you for your advice! I've ordered some parts from the USA! I have checked; they are OEM!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273324569913

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273324569926
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Hello again.

I've recieved my rear upper control arms today. I did not manage to install them today; it turns out I needed a tool to get the ball joint out. However, that's not the problem.

I'm writing because upon trying to put everything back together, I found that I could not return two bolts to their original position.

These two bolts connect the right rear upper control arm to the subframe(?).

Removing these bolts wasn't too much of a problem. There was some resistance, but I thought it may have been due to 29 years of road grime/dust/foreign materials.


WD40 didn't make screwing them back in any easier. Is there a reason for this?

The bolts, while not the best, are able to do its job.

The subframe(?) bolt holes, on the other hand, needs inspection. On initial inspection, I suspect that they aren't in the best of conditions.

Once I remove the right rear upper control arm completely, I shall update this space.

But yes, is there a reason for this occurence?
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Hello again.

I've finally been able to remove the old rear right upper control arm.

On further inspection of the control arm bolt holes on the subframe, it appears that they are not in good condition. The threads don't look uniform. It's difficult to see, however it seems like they have been stripped somewhat. This may explain why the bolts won't go in; you can screw them in a few times but then it just goes tight.

What happens from here?

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Hello again,

I suspect that I've also stripped the upper control arm bolt hole threads on the left side of the subframe. The bolts could be tightened by hand before I attempted to put in the new rear left upper control arm.

However, after the (failed) attempt, I can no longer do so.

I've been following the instructions in the Haynes Repair Manual.

Is there something else to this job that I'm missing?
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That happens to me too. The upper control arms you bought seems to be the same I bought. The sleeve on the wheel side of the control arm is crooked. I had to remove the cap on one side and replace the sleeve with the original one.

The sleeves are so poorly made that they seem always crooked. The lower arms did not have that.

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That happens to me too. The upper control arms you bought seems to be the same I bought. The sleeve on the wheel side of the control arm is crooked. I had to remove the cap on one side and replace the sleeve with the original one.

The sleeves are so poorly made that they seem always crooked. The lower arms did not have that.

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Hello,

I'm sorry to hear that you've experienced this as well! Indeed, the crookedness you describe seems to be present on the control arms that I bought as well.

How did you go about removing the cap and replacing the sleeve with the original one? Is it easy to do?

Also, the ball joints, as I understand, cannot be separated; as they are one with the control arm. Is this correct?

This crookedness... Would it mess with the alignment?
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