[swift]

if ure talking bout the full blown drag twin turbo legend(gary?? not sure) the shop was closed b4 he could finish it.

naw that one didnt run at all.

the other one is the full skyline conversion done by LA conversions in houston. Show car.

 

[Johnny Kim]

naw that one didnt run at all.

the other one is the full skyline conversion done by LA conversions in houston. Show car.

ohh i remember that car.
its jus for show?? boooo lol

 

[sr5guy]

clay,

if you meant "first" as done before DV8 then probably...but you are not the first with a running turbo legend. Rear mount turbo yes.

just clearing things up

Who cares who the first was - Alienclay took the initiative and got it done.

-Matt

 

[Forevralegend]

agreed, and it will probably start a chain reaction of other people turboing..more fast legends is always a good thing

 

[hotlavaflow]

Gotta keep a mental note of who was first. Otherwise why take on such a project to get no credit. If what your saying is true about the Houston Leg your still 3rd cause I'm 2nd :hide: :bs:

 

[H!tman]

If you guys are talking about that yellow skyline conversion with the widebody kit, then no, those turbo's aren't fuctional, it's just a show setup. Props for the conversion. Boo on the fake turbo's.

 

[Dv8]

What good is a turbo or supercharger or being first, second or tenth, if it doesnt work well and/or puts out less power than it should? Show me track times and dyno graphs better than below and I'll show you a well built Legend.

~Dv8

 

[Forevralegend]

What good is a turbo or supercharger or being first, second or tenth, if it doesnt work well and/or puts out less power than it should? Show me track times and dyno graphs better than below and I'll show you a well built Legend.

~Dv8

i agree with you, if it doesnt work well...what is the point? as for some of the turbo designs out there, you can tell that the designs arent very good, there is much more strain on one side of the motor then the otherside due to the lengths of tubes, and there is alot of restriction due to the small size of the tubing. If someone "wink wink" can do a TT settup so that there would be equal strain on both sides of the motor with larger piping and a better header design i think we would be in business. Or a rear mount setup that is closer to the motor. If your going to turbo might as well do it right since your throwing down big bucks anyways.

 

[alienclay]

Who cares who the first was - Alienclay took the initiative and got it done.

-Matt

agreed, and it will probably start a chain reaction of other people turboing..more fast legends is always a good thing

and this was my real goal all along.

i for one will be the first to tell you that my 3700lb* 91 type 1 automatic with my limited time and skills will be hard pressed to even match what dv8 did on his legend NA. (at 3.5 psi ) but if others in the community get involved and do what is possible and practical, (and i think rear mount is where it's at for us) little things like tips and tricks to make it eaiser and more affordable for everyone will come up. hell, maybe even someone crazy enough will build a kit with flat tubing or something. then a couple of years from now when i have learned things right i can do this to my untouched 94GS and go even further. at the very least i can find out for myself if this is viable, in practice.

alright, anyway, along those lines here's what iv'e learned so far.
injectors have't arrived yet, but i already know they are the wrong ones, i'm still getting conflicting info on injectors, esp with the honda part numbers being the same for both the f22 and h22 preludes. those vtec injectors for that year are hard to find and because they come in sets of four this will only prove to be a little bit mnore tricky. after looking up some info, (and finally reading the first page of the fuel section of my haynes manual**) i did try a little something else with mixed results and i think i may be able to do a little something different instead.
b&m sells a fuel pressure modifier for civics integras, and the nsx, blah blah, no suprise there. but after seeing the universiallity of the 55$ item (jegs.com) i picked one up to see if it would work, i got it the same time early 06 as my wideband but looking at it i had no clue as to how to install it. so i put it away unopened for a year. to make a long story short i installed it yesterday and it works for legends but you have to cut the top off your oem regulator and you have to watch the hood clearences on stock hoods, talkin' like 2-10mm ish depending on where your pressure is set. (my CF hood has a very slight arc and my set pressure is high, so for me not an issue)
you see for once my being a type 1 came in handy, the 91-92 legend had the lowest fuel pressure of the stock legends, even though they all had the same injectors, my guage reads 32psi fuel at 20inches vacuum, and about 38 psi fuel at at atmospheric. but the 94 GS runs about 51-54 ish psi at atm (haynes) if i put the atm fuel psi on my car at 60 i figure that at 8psi boost and adjustments the max fuel pressure would be 70psi and i think that's within safe limits (if you're adding a turbo we're pushing a lot of things closer to the line right)
using the flowrate equasion (flow rate2/flow rate1)^2 * psi1 = psi2
rearranged sqrt(psi2/psi1) * flowrate 1 = flow rate 2
so sqrt(60/38) * 240cc/min = about 300 cc/min

now that i have 300cc/min injection for 55$ io can use my apexi to correct to -18 and make me good for the 3.6 psi i'm running, ypippie skippiearty: , but what is giving me an eyebrow are two things,
1 my wideband is telling me i'm running super rich at 10:1, so i may have a bit more room to lean things out to aproper 12:1 and play in there than i think.
2. but not before i upgrade the fuel pump with an extra inline pump. watching my newly installed ON HOOD*** fuel pressure guage, pressure builds up about 3psi and then drops about 8 psi after about 3k rpm, so the stock fuel pump isn't happy with the higher flow rates.

oh yeah and 3 , my turbo spool has gone to crap, it appears the oil problems i was having early on, plus not being able to fit the low profile air filter i purchased killed my first turbo :snipe: . roger that, new one on order, should be in this week ready for round 2.

soooooo, obviously, no video or real dyno yet. while we're on the subject does anyone in the everett wa area know where the dynos are at? the everett auto clinic has one but they don't know how to use it and wont let tuners on it anyway.

*(i like my stereo and it's staying with me)
** (legend injectors are 2ohm, but there is a resistor box for 5-7 ohms that i may be able to remove, now i gotta find it,..... funny what you find out when you read)
*** (was using an under hood guage prior)

 

[dgandul]

being the guinea pig and having your spool crap out is a big contrabution to all of us..... keep up the good work and find that dyno when you get your new turbo in


ps dont forget about the filter

 

[alienclay]

your sacasim brings rest and reassurance to my soul.
when i make my final post with a basic how to, dyno numbers and video, this will go on my long list of things NOT to do. only a dummy thinks they can get away with a no filter turbo back there. the way it scrapes as it spools down is like the sound of a sick cat being crammed into a turbine exhaust in only .7 seconds.....

 

[NOTaMango]

I just saw this thread, and i'm speechless, nice work! (Yeah I know I'm really late) I'd love to see this car some day.

 

[KindBuddy]

Much props for doing this! I have missed a few things since I've been gone. Now for the vid and dyno...

 

[Mike Diaz]

Keep it going, don't give up now.

 

[uPnoRthACme]

2. but not before i upgrade the fuel pump with an extra inline pump. watching my newly installed ON HOOD*** fuel pressure guage, pressure builds up about 3psi and then drops about 8 psi after about 3k rpm, so the stock fuel pump isn't happy with the higher flow rates.

)

Why wouldn't you go with the walbro 255 instead of running an inline pump?

 

[swift]

know what i just realized..................


people actually give you props and so forth yet give critism on others that came before you with FI.


therefore don't be suprised to be asked for a dyno sheet once your turbo is fixed.

 

[Dv8]

know what i just realized..................

people actually give you props and so forth yet give critism on others that came before you with FI.

therefore don't be suprised to be asked for a dyno sheet once your turbo is fixed.

I'm not taking anything away from anyone that's tried F/I on a Legend its fantastic however, personally everyone's try at F/I on these forums has been half assesed. I know i'm not the only one that feels this way.
Everyone's tiring to do it on an extreme cheap budget and never doing it right the first time. I've been telling people for years that engine management was going to be needed above and before all. Well whatever, if you can't spend the right amount of money the first time you might as well keep it.
Then we have trolls like Swift, which thinks he's peoples spokes person, when in reality him and Greekpower only aggravate instead of educate.

~Dv8

 

[Mike Diaz]

I'm not taking anything away from anyone that's tried F/I on a Legend its fantastic however, personally everyone's try at F/I on these forums has been half assesed. I know i'm not the only one that feels this way.
Everyone's tiring to do it on an extreme cheap budget and never doing it right the first time. I've been telling people for years that engine management was going to be needed above and before all. Well whatever, if you can't spend the right amount of money the first time you might as well keep it.
Then we have trolls like Swift, which thinks he's peoples spokes person, when in reality him and Greekpower only aggravate instead of educate.

~Dv8

Somebody needs Gary Depriest's Coupe and finish that with the AEM EMS. That turbo setup was on it's way to being the best I've seen on a Legend. Everything carefully planned out and done right. That's the key here. Too bad he couldn't find a reputable shop to finish the project.

Installing a turbo, then trying to figure out the engine management is like buying wheels, then looking for a car to put them on.

 

[alienclay]

i know i shouldnt take this personally, as i don't feel it was a personal comment, but i feel the need to defend some of the decisions i've been making here. i think we're looking at this in two different sets of glasses and goals.

the aem $2k ems only works for manuals, and while wonderful for all of its features, far beyond what i want or i think need..... or can even use, i'm not going to do a manual swap. that's not my cup of tea.

part of the reason iv'e been working from the very ground up to to also establish what does, and what does NOT work. from a cost stand point starting from the bottom so others can do what's right for them and their fiscal situation. some of it should be common sense (like the filter), others are based in debunking other theroys in practice. like my work on fuel and oiling. that, and i like taking on challanges with tight resources, even budget. while i have the money to drop my car off at a local tuner shop and have them do this for 5-7k total, i would rather do it, save the money, learn everything to pass the info on, and see others do it even better on other more deserving cars. worst case scenerio, i blow my engine, i have to rip everything out, order ANOTHER c32a6 from japan (maybe a5) and have to wait another year to get that body kit and paint job. at the very least someone should be able to learn from my mistakes and KNOW which fork in the road to take. if i had known what i know now, or had somone been able to chronical somehing like this back in 05 instead of just talk, i wouldn't have spent the $900 i did on my nitrous kit and did this right, the way i wanted from the begining, (nitrous is never there for me when i want it, never. pacific northwest is just too cold). not to mention the unknown benjimins spent on broken, excessive, wrong parts that i already did. i hope to remedy this issue for someone else. (or at least have fun telling the story)

anyway,
going back to www.homeadeturbo.com i'm going with the apexi hack. chiping the ecu would also be favorable, but i don't trust my soldering skills that well, nor do i want to send my ecu far away from home for "boost camp" so i'm going with the tried and true.
i'm also going to use dsm injectors. unlike the h22a1 (not h22a4 non vetec)injectors that are nearly impossible to find (oh yeah, thats the 93-96 prelude), i can get a set of 6 balanced and cleaned peak and hold dsm injectors for about $200. (i'm still a little upset that the tech at venom preformance told me the legend uses 10 ohm high impendence injectors)
those are also on order and should arive this week as well. like i said earlier, i plan on being (parts dependant) done before the 22nd for the local seattle meet up here, so untill then hold the critisism untill i do iron out the kinks and get the numbers and video together. if you can provide helpful info, great, otherise wait the few days untill i get this to 7psi and show weak dyno results at that level, or declare that i just can't figure out the fueling issue before droping the napalm (and iv'e got a lot more ideas to blow before i call that one) . at the very very least, i know i'm happy with what i've done and where i'm going.

hey everybody, it's just a turbo.
with my heavy ass car it may take FI and N2O just to get me into the 14s

 

[Mike Diaz]

My buddy has 4 H22 injectors he might sell from his 96 Prelude. How much do you want to spend?