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Lifter Ticking - Let's do some thinking and try to understand

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#1 ·
Hey, lifter tickin thing is driving everybody crazy.

Remember there's two possible reasons for the lifters not to work properly ( They're also called HYDRAULIC TAPPETS).

A. Not enough oil flow and pressure getting there. Auto-RX will help there, and

B. the other reason could be maybe they're not sealing properly and won't hold pressure. Auto-RX can't heal a worn out lifter.

Check here: for a better concept.
Page 5-25 or 7 of the PDF document
http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/LegendCoupe/62sg000/5-20.pdf

NOTE::::: the first step is to check for damage "for wear or damage or for a clogged oil hole."

When we Auto-RX we're hoping for a clogged oil hole that sludge might have blocked and Auto-RX to help dissolve and clear it.
IF there is wear and no clogging, then Auto-RX may or may not help the situation with respect to noise.

How can we help the situation if there is wear. 1. Use a thicker oil/ heavier oil. This will help allow the lifter/hydraulic tappet to develop more pressure by having less leakage.

Now if you think about this carefully, you'll understand why some people report that using 20w-50 helped their situation and some people report that 5w-30 helped theirs. Total confusion.

Now if you have ticking, understand this. If the ticking is due to a clogged oil hole and you use a thicker oil. You could end up doing more damage. Why? oil is not getting where it needs to get to and you'll eventually end up with situation B. - worn out lifters and further clogging.

So if you have ticking, here's what I recommend. Try the Auto-RX routine or some other safe sludge cleansing routine that gets deep inside and hope it goes away. If it does, you had a clogged oil hole and you've cleared it. If after two tries with Auto-RX and it does not go away, I say try a heavier oil.

Now Steveman recommends that Friction free stuff. That stuff is supposed to have small metal particles that "coat" walls. I can see it possibly working in situation B. Where the lifter are worn and can't hold pressure it may help develop a better seal However, I can also see if it was a situation A where there was clogging, then possibly it may do more harm. - It does not clear clogged holes.

I think no matter what if you have ticking I would tend to recommend a treatment of some type that cleans and clears out sludge first as that will cause no damage buy rather help overall operation of the engine. If the noise does not go away try a heavier oil or Steveman's recommended product.

The only surefire, but expensive way is to replace all the lifters - 24 of them by taking the head apart. So take your pick and remember once you get rid of the noise, always keep your oil in good shape as that was the cause of the noise in the first place.
 
#71 ·
HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SIIIING...JOY TO THE WORLD THE NEW BORN KING!!

DAMNIT MAN, YOU'RE A GODSEND!

that was the only other major thing on this car i needed to know how to do. :bowdown: :bowdown: :woot:

after i do all this crap... ahem
3 bad engine mounts, reset others
full intake soak n clean, all other parts as well
test sensors

....easier than it looks.. i'm, as we speak, pulling the motor to repair one of the engine mounts.

after that.. i'm gonna pull the heads and replace HG and clean out tappets.

:p
 
#72 ·
Got the engine running,sounds good so far, but it has a sputtering uneven idle, runs OK when I rev it and the timming marks are OK, some of the spark plugs are sooty and some are wet? Looked at the old posts for answers, leaking hoses, bleed the radiator/cooling system, distributor,spark plugs etc. Any Ideas, I'm thinking about replacing the wire harness. Some of the wires insulation is brittle and cracked.
 
#75 ·
it's all in the Factory Manual (FSM) in the Gen1's FAQ thread.

i've already printed out that whole chapter.

i believe you'll find it in chapter 6, but don't qoute me. in the FAQ thread there's also a Table of Contents link you should print out. this has the actual page numbers to find the spot you need. the FSM is in Adobe format. easy to find everything you need.

i just did the majority of chapter 6's tests. the car's runnin great. sides the Crank Sensor.. i think it's something else though.
 
#76 · (Edited)
Our ticking might come from uneven cylinder head torque. Look at the following article where it mentions a similar problem with a 90 Acura Integra. Read into the article to see what I am speaking of. See page 2/7

Be sure to Right Click...Zoom In.
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~pogo1/integra_bushings.swf
 
#77 ·
The "lifter ticking" that the G1 owners know is usally caused by dirty Tappets which had being accumuleting carbon deposits from oil or other sh*t like that this tick will come and go and on different amount of times. Each one has its own problem but the cause is the same the most and lightest form known is the "morning thicking" or the "cold start thicking" this one will go right away in few seconds or in some cases maybe a minute or more, there are several other cases but all them are caused by the same problem low maintenence poor oil and filter changes under a heavy duty use.
 
#80 ·
There's a permanent fix for the lifter tick, I have been around the forums for a long time and so far no one else has figured it out. Or at least if they have, they haven't told anyone just like me ;)
 
#81 ·
Whatever you say chief.
The bottom line is they have to be taken out, cleaned and pressure tested and replaced if they fail the test.
Other than that replacing them with new is the only other option to ensure a quiet motor.
As far as I am concerned there is no other way about it, if you believe you have a way of eliminating it which hasn't been mentioned (which I highly doubt) then I strongly encourage you to share it. Otherwise go away if you're not going to be a0of ny help.
 
#82 ·
I think its about time i replace my lifter completley.
I used to have cold start ticking, then took it for a service where they put 20w50 in, now that i have switched it to a lower grade after a week of driving it on the 20w50 (10w40 synthetic), i get no lifter tick at start up for about 30sec some times a full min, but then it ticks all the time even when warm.
It will eventually go away after about 20-30mins of driving but only at revs higher than 2.5k.

One tyre fitter i spoke to suggested getting the sump pick up cleaned out (he owned a legend) and giving the galleries a flush, said it cost him $300 and it sorted his out.
 
#85 ·
^ Six words...
Drive it like you stole it. That should keep the lifter ticking at bay :mhihi:
 
#86 ·
my blue coupe it ticks like crazy, it sounds horrible when it's cold (like a bunch of midgets with ball peen hammers under the hood), i swear all 24 of them bad boys goin' at it. as it warms up you can hear it as each one stops, it's crazy. after it warms all the way a couple tick just about all the time until i put some stick to it and around 3k rpm it stops.

my red coupe hardly ever ticks. every once in a while on a cold morning.
 
#89 ·
if anyone continues reading this thread, here's my situation.
I have tried Seafoam in my crankcase, and that pretty much did nothing. My car has 360k so i didn't really want to go with a thin oil, but i tried it.
It was quiet for the first couple of days, but the ticking came back. I went back to 20-50 and once again trying 5-30, no luck.
Now, i tried raising my rpm's to 4500 for a quarter mile to raise the pressure, and the ticking went away for part of the trip on the freeway. Once the pressure dropped, the ticking came back.
Working on a 90 Legend, how would i checking the oil pressure?
i believe the only lifters making noise are those in cylinder #2.
 
#92 ·
My car used to make a lot of ticking noise until I replaced the valve cover gaskets then it only did it when it was cold then I replaced the oil pan gasket and my car hasn't made one tick since I think air was escaping through the bad gaskets and causing the litters not to be bled properly. And I use 10w 30 oil cause it's thinner and I think it flows better but that's just what I think.