[Telion]

Ha! I bought these hooker formed collectors.

I'm not using nearly that much length though.

~Dv8

Sweet maybe you can answer my question did they say
(or could you tell) if they were 16gauge or 18 gauge?

 

[Telion]

looks pretty cool definitely took a shit ton of time and work i know how that goes telion we should definitely meet up when i get back in October

Yeah that would be cool if I ever get this done lol :yes:

On a side note where the F is my water temp gauge, it should have been here by now.

 

[Dv8]

Seems like Dv8 is always an f***ing DBAG... hey but looks pretty cool definitely took a shit ton of time and work i know how that goes telion we should definitely meet up when i get back in October

Mr. legendturbo102@yahoo.com will have 2 weeks to think about his completely blatant and uncalled for insults tossed in my direction.
I haven't ever even interacted with the guy, nor did I say anything above to draw any type of insults.

Anyone else feel like doing the same???

Telion, sorry for the inconvenience. I will take a closer look at the pipe and see what GA it is.

~Dv8

 

[Telion]

No inconvenience I was wondering if there was something I missed somewhere but moving on, Thanks it would be appreciated the not knowing of the ga. of the hookers is the one thing that is has me leaning toward Megs.

 

[antik]

Mr. legendturbo102@yahoo.com will have 2 weeks to think about his completely blatant and uncalled for insults tossed in my direction.
I haven't ever even interacted with the guy, nor did I say anything above to draw any type of insults.

Anyone else feel like doing the same???

Telion, sorry for the inconvenience. I will take a closer look at the pipe and see what GA it is.

~Dv8

Is that an offer to take free shots? :hide:

 

[mnlegend]

good post

The post about single vs. Twin helped me out a lot! So wat turbos would u go with for the twin set up? Also where would u place them because its a tight fit.

 

[legend coupe]

Mr. legendturbo102@yahoo.com will have 2 weeks to think about his completely blatant and uncalled for insults tossed in my direction.
I haven't ever even interacted with the guy, nor did I say anything above to draw any type of insults.

Anyone else feel like doing the same???

Telion, sorry for the inconvenience. I will take a closer look at the pipe and see what GA it is.

~Dv8

maybe she took offense because you said hooker :lol:

 

[sam o nela]

Seems like Dv8 is always an f***ing DBAG... hey but looks pretty cool definitely took a shit ton of time and work i know how that goes telion we should definitely meet up when i get back in October

Um yeah....either you were absent that day in second grade or you just didn't make it that far....but when a word begins with a consonant, it is not to be preceded by the article "an." The correct form would have been:

Seems like Dv8 is always a f***ing DBAG...

Now if you would have gone with:

Seems like Dv8 is always an effing DBAG...

You would have been in the clear...

If you're going to call someone a douche bag, at least try not make yourself look like one in the process.

 

[legend coupe]

Um yeah....either you were absent that day in second grade or you just didn't make it that far....but when a word begins with a consonant, it is not to be preceded by the article "an." The correct form would have been:

Now if you would have gone with:

You would have been in the clear...

If you're going to call someone a douche bag, at least try not make yourself look like one in the process.

wouldn't it be ( at least try not tomake yourself look like one in the process.:lol:

 

[Telion]

Ok time to get back on track and talk headers. Since we currently have two other cars to drive I took the opportunity to leave my car down and get some additional work done. Part of this work entailed getting the headers laid out. I would be embarrased to admit the amount of hours I spent getting these to this point lol but what the hell it was worth it. The tape is there until they are tacked together for a final test fit before being welded so forgive the shiney stuff.

Even though they look like exact opposites from side to side there are some differences that were required but I did hope for them to come out similar in look and size from the length of each pipe from side to side to the overall look let me know what you think so far.

So speak now or forever hold your peace :angel:

Collectors are next, I wanted to get to this point before deciding which collectors to go with. I admit though, I still have not found what I really want in my price range and material requirement which would be a set like on the OBX's.

 

[sam o nela]

wouldn't it be ( at least try not tomake yourself look like one in the process.:lol:

:rofl: x12

wned:

Ok time to get back on track and talk headers. Since we currently have two other cars to drive I took the opportunity to leave my car down and get some additional work done. Part of this work entailed getting the headers laid out. I would be embarrased to admit the amount of hours I spent getting these to this point lol but what the hell it was worth it. The tape is there until they are tacked together for a final test fit before being welded so forgive the shiney stuff.

Even though they look like exact opposites from side to side there are some differences that were required but I did hope for them to come out similar in look and size from the length of each pipe from side to side to the overall look let me know what you think so far.

So speak now or forever hold your peace :angel:

Collectors are next, I wanted to get to this point before deciding which collectors to go with. I admit though, I still have not found what I really want in my price range and material requirement which would be a set like on the OBX's.

Yeah back on topic....Tellion...thats beyond hot....:bigok:

 

[Kho]

Telion,
First and foremost, I applaud your efforts. I've been where you are, and I can appreciate how much work, time and effort you've put in to get to where you are with these manifolds. So please understand that this is only meant to be some helpful advice and by no means a criticism of your work.
Is the flange stainless? Either mild or stainless, it just CANNOT be aluminum. I'm only saying this because from the photos, I can't tell the difference.
Secondly, when building a set of manifolds, it's easiest to build from the flange to the collector. Meaning that you locate the collector in the vehicle and start building your pipes until they reach the collector. This ensures that all the pipes line up properly and that your collector is symmetrical in the end. It also allows you a definitive location to end the primaries so you can make them equal length. With your turbo set up, I agree that equal lengths take second priorty to packaging and from the photos, it looks like you're pretty close on your alignment, so adding a collector may not be too difficult. Those are good things. :yes:
Lastly is your choice in material. I've been reading through this thread, and forgive me if I missed it, but I really hope that you aren't planning on running that piping as your final part. 16 gauge mild or stainless steel have been used for turbo manifolds for decades. If welded properly, they shouldn't have any problems with cracking. If time and use show cracking to be a small problem, welding on structural gussets to the pipe is always an acceptable solution.

My strong advice is to get some 16 gauge mild steel u-bends in the tighest bend radius you can find (you should only need to buy four u-bends, don't pay more than $80 total) and go over those pipes again. This time with your collectors placed in the engine bay ahead of time.
When you're cutting and shaping the individual pieces, use a sharpie to draw two paralles lines across the joint between the two pipes. This'll let you know exactly where they lined up and won't leave a tape residue you'll have to clean off when you're ready to weld. If you can't tack the final parts together and must use tape, I'd suggest some wide blue painters tape because it should leave the least amount of residue.
Best of luck Telion, I hope this hasn't upset you too much, I know it's not exactly what people like to hear. I'd still be happy to assist supplying you collectors if you'd like and with the welding as well.
Cheers,

 

[Telion]

Thanks Kho, and by all means had it not been for constructive criticism I would not have gotten this far with this or many other projects I take on. and yeah I cold certainly see how it would be easier to work your way back to the head from the collector, especially if I were to bend and weld each runner right then.

The flanges are a mild steel, very nicely done I might add, I was impressed once I received them. Unfortunately I did have to go with the pricey ducting tape because the the blue tape would break and there was too much elasticity of the electrical tape was not working out so luckily I had some on hand, it's pricey and sticky but worked great lol. As for the other material, I have become partial to the heavier gauge mild steel for now for a couple reasons one big one being that the skillset of who ever welds them will not need to be that of a master welder. The others being their ability to hold in heat, and loggevity. If I were to have them reproduced and not made by me these would just become a template and I would have them made (vs make them) out of probably a 16g mild steel, tig welded and coated. But these will do for now .

I do thank you for the offering of assistance and really more importantly the advise on how to build a header. It is not often that you have a pro to oversee things and provide helpful tips. I have read a lot about doing this but the real pro's such as yourself aren't usually as readily available as you have made yourself let alone explain how they would go through the process.

 

[reboticon]

So whats the final story with those headers? Like where did you end up getting the flanges and piping from and the costs (if you don't mind) of the materials. Looks like everything is back on track, very exciting.

 

[legend coupe]

WOW. telion. those look really nice. the ones on the right look more put together...

 

[Telion]

So whats the final story with those headers? Like where did you end up getting the flanges and piping from and the costs (if you don't mind) of the materials. Looks like everything is back on track, very exciting.

Yeah finally got everything back ontrack still a lot of pipinng work to do on the hotside and some plumbing of the oil lines and well, I am no where near done damn . The final verdict is that they are (atleast the ones that I bought were too thin they were about 18ga which would be to thin IMO down the road but I would think you might get away with them if you are running a small turbo or going N/A you could get them to fit with some time and work. Better than spending 300.00 on OBX's I got the flanges from a fellow member but I can have them made if you are interested and the and the piping I got off Ebay. "Can you say Luxury Legend meets homemadeturbo.com"

WOW. telion. those look really nice. the ones on the right look more put together...

 

[reboticon]

So is the 3.5 essentially a stroked 3.2 block, or does it have different dimensions? Will i have more clearance on a 3.2? Id be a lot more comfortable if i swapped in a 3.5 first like yours or Dv8s since its block forged. Still i keep finding turbos for cheap on craigslist and your project has me dreaming.

 

[DandDEE]

sitting and waiting patiently

 

[Telion]

So is the 3.5 essentially a stroked 3.2 block, or does it have different dimensions? Will i have more clearance on a 3.2? Id be a lot more comfortable if i swapped in a 3.5 first like yours or Dv8s since its block forged. Still i keep finding turbos for cheap on craigslist and your project has me dreaming.

basically yes and the angle that the heads sit at are slightly different but personally I think the space constraint would not change by doing the swap, nd then Buzzard said something somewhere about the bolts on the 3.2 internals where stronger (more of a mental note for me to find this)

 

[Telion]

since this has also become somewhat of an informative thread as well I will try to be more diligent about throwing in links to informative sites that contained what I considered as useful information. This one is from a manufacturer of an Audi 2.7 aftermarket header that elaborates on the benefits of a collector style header vs a log style header I thought it was a good read and applicable.

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/2.7T_header_comparison.pdf

at some point I will make a single post that has all the links in one place.

I also came across another link that I read a while back when I had to determine a new course of action for the headers, in hindsight I guess it was pretty convincing lol. Again I found the informative.

Not sure why the link says Browser warning but it is titled
Making Turbo Manifolds, Part 2
Step-by-step making a turbo manifold
by Julian Edgar
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